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Justfishin' 11-20-2016 09:27 AM

Eh, back to predictions.....
Gas will be $4+ sooner than later at the pump because the incoming administration will likely pee off the Muslim suppliers of oil and they will shut down the supply....
Then the domestic oil fields and coal mines will become open game with no heed to the environment(no EPA!) and the ecological disasters will mount and be dismissed by the administration (Global warming isn't real)
Despite it being a 'national emergency', the gov't will probably privatize the drilling and mining, possibly to foreign interests who submit the lowest bid. The high paid jobs in the industry will go to them, with token Americans doing the labor
But, I don't think we'll hear about any of this because I think that the administration will do what Bushv2 did and seal all presidential records in the interest of National Security.

And the atmosphere will get hotter, the oceans will rise and the ozone will be lost......

ecduzitgood 11-20-2016 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Justfishin' (Post 1112523)
Eh, back to predictions.....
Gas will be $4+ sooner than later at the pump because the incoming administration will likely pee off the Muslim suppliers of oil and they will shut down the supply....
Then the domestic oil fields and coal mines will become open game with no heed to the environment(no EPA!) and the ecological disasters will mount and be dismissed by the administration (Global warming isn't real)
Despite it being a 'national emergency', the gov't will probably privatize the drilling and mining, possibly to foreign interests who submit the lowest bid. The high paid jobs in the industry will go to them, with token Americans doing the labor
But, I don't think we'll hear about ant of this because I thing that the administration will do what Bushv2 did and seal all presidential records in the interest of National Security.

And the atmosphere will get hotter, the oceans will rise and the ozone will be lost......

Time will tell but this guy has figured out how to use salt water as a fuel.

https://youtu.be/F0vycQ06a04
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Nebe 11-20-2016 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ecduzitgood (Post 1112533)
Time will tell but this guy has figured out how to use salt water as a fuel.

https://youtu.be/F0vycQ06a04
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That would be so awesome if it was brought to the mainstream. But... As long as there are millions of barrels of oil under the ground, waiting to be extracted and sold, it will never happen.

wdmso 11-20-2016 01:12 PM

How Trump deals with messages he doesn't like

You know, we have a guest in the audience this evening. Vice President-elect Pence, I see you walking out but I hope you hear just a few more moments. There's nothing to boo, ladies and gentlemen. There's nothing to boo. We're all here sharing a story of love. We have a message for you, sir. We hope that you will hear us out.

And I encourage everybody to pull out your phones and tweet and post, because this message needs to be spread far and wide, OK?

Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you and we truly thank you for joining us here at Hamilton: An American Musical. We really do.

We sir, we, are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us — our planet, our children, our parents — or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us. All of us.

Again, we truly thank you for sharing this show, this wonderful American story told by a diverse group of men and women of different colors, creeds, and orientations.

Trumps comments show his Authoritarian personality is shinning bright

The cast and producers of Hamilton, which I hear is highly overrated, should immediately apologize to Mike Pence for their terrible behavior

Our wonderful future V.P. Mike Pence was harassed last night at the theater by the cast of Hamilton, cameras blazing.This should not happen!

The Theater must always be a safe and special place.The cast of Hamilton was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!

PaulS 11-20-2016 01:26 PM

I don't think it's appropriate for the cast to say that at the end of the show to a person visiting the show. That said,as i said earlier I think Trump is going to end up getting in trouble because he can't control his emotions.
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scottw 11-20-2016 02:16 PM

reminds me of when Obama attacked the Cambridge police dept for "acting stupidly"

I don't mind that they addressed him, they saw an opportunity and took advantage at an appropriate time....I hate the idea that elected officials get some special treatment...the should be more approachable and accountable, particularly if "the people" are addressing them in a respectful manner which was the case...would have been great if Pence offered to speak with them all after the show to hear and try to address their concerns

maybe Trump will invite them all to the White House for a beer

PaulS 11-20-2016 02:20 PM

Wait till president Trump has some Democratic Governors sticking their finger in his face. He would go ballistic. However I doubt the Democratic Governors would do that.
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scottw 11-20-2016 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1112555)
Wait till president Trump has some Democratic Governors sticking their finger in his face. .
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getting tougher and tougher to find a democrat governor :rotflmao:

Nebe 11-20-2016 03:08 PM

hey one of my predictions is about to come true.. Trump wants Mittens to be secretary of state.

scottw 11-20-2016 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1112558)
hey one of my predictions is about to come true.. Trump wants Mittens to be secretary of state.

now you sound like trump

Nebe 11-20-2016 03:30 PM

believe me scott, if i wanted to sound like trump it would be tremendous. Believe me, it would be huge. We are going to drain that boil and make america sit again !

basswipe 11-20-2016 04:21 PM

I predict a predicament.

Raven 11-20-2016 09:32 PM

Now he's considering Sessions for
a post in his administration? :hs:
that's Like resurrecting Asslinger
from the dead.

it'll get real NASTY

detbuch 11-20-2016 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1112386)
i believe he received $100,000 from the tobacco industry..

He was paid $100,000 for saying ". . . news flash: smoking is not good for you. If you are reading this article through the blue haze of cigarette smoke you should quit."?? Really? Sounds like a thoroughly wasted $100,00.

On the other hand, if Pence was paid a hundred grand to make smoking sound good, then tells us that it is not good for us and we should quit, maybe he is not trustworthy.

Did you actually read what you posted?

Nebe 11-20-2016 10:39 PM

I read it. the point is that he is saying that smoking is non fatal.

detbuch 11-20-2016 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1112582)
I read it. the point is that he is saying that smoking is non fatal.

If two out of three smokers do not die from smoking related causes, apparently, it is not fatal for most smokers. Who knows why? Maybe genetics, maybe those two out of three were moderate smokers, maybe they smoked the right kind tobacco if there is such a thing.

Is eating hamburgers fatal. If you are genetically prone to die from eating them, or if you eat too many, or if you eat the wrongly prepared hamburgers, they might kill you, eventually, or sooner rather than later. Does that mean that hamburgers are fatal?

Too much of anything can be fatal. So everything must be fatal. Since none of us lives forever, life must be fatal.

None of that, not even if cigarette smoking is fatal or not, was the point of my response and my question. I responded to your afterthought that you believe that the tobacco industry gave him $100,000. Implying, I guess, the industry bribed him. Considering everything Pence said in the bit you posted, it would seem that the $100,000 given to him . . . if it really was . . . was money ill spent and a failed bribe. He said it was bad for you and you should quit. Does that sound like he was earning that hundred grand?

Nebe 11-21-2016 10:46 AM

Sometimes I think you are autistic man....

Here we have Trump saying that he is going to drain the swamp of corruption in DC and boot out all of the corrupt money taking influences when he is elected, but here is his tobacco puppet vice president pic. Why did he make this announcement in the first place?? Because the tobacco industry gave him a #^&#^&#^&#^& load of money to say it.

scottw 11-21-2016 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1112602)
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Here we have Trump saying that he is going to drain the swamp of corruption in DC and boot out all of the corrupt money taking influences when he is elected, but here is his tobacco puppet vice president pic. Why did he make this announcement in the first place?? Because the tobacco industry gave him a #^&#^&#^&#^& load of money to say it.

this is fake news

detbuch 11-21-2016 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1112603)
this is fake news

Naw, it's for real that the tobacco industry bribed Pence to say that smoking is bad for you and that you should quit smoking.

detbuch 11-21-2016 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1112602)
Sometimes I think you are autistic man....

Here we have Trump saying that he is going to drain the swamp of corruption in DC and boot out all of the corrupt money taking influences when he is elected, but here is his tobacco puppet vice president pic. Why did he make this announcement in the first place?? Because the tobacco industry gave him a #^&#^&#^&#^& load of money to say it.

Right. Because the tobacco industry gave him a #^&#^&#^&#^& load of money to say smoking is bad for you and you should quit smoking. I admit that I don't know what actually prompted him to say those words. You're, apparently, certain of why he did. I did not comment on whether Pence was bribed or not. I tried to point out that your post was not good evidence that he was bribed to say those words. It even contradicted the idea that Pence was pimping for the tobacco industry. It seemed to me that what Pence was getting at was what his last paragraph stated--that a government big enough to go after smokers is big enough to go after you. If he was influenced by $100,000 to say that, I doubt that the $100,000 intended that he also say that smoking is bad for you and that you should quit smoking.

Was accepting donations from tobacco, or pharma, or trial lawyers, or industry, or unions, or banking and finance, or from wealthy individuals, or from little folks wrong and corruptly influential? Probably. Arguments could be made either way. The influence can cut both ways--using government to beat competitors or get financial preferences; or to fend off government control or government favoring the opposing competitors who also "donate."

Government power can also be corrupt. Fighting against that corruption takes money. And it takes a lot of money to get elected in order to fight government corruption. There's no way to get around that. Not in a free society. Pence's announcement was made back when he was running for Congress. How he thinks about the "swamp" now or then, I don't know. Trump doesn't need the huge donations to get elected. Most everyone else, unfortunately, does. Perhaps you're right. Maybe freedom is overrated. It would cost a lot less to eliminate the democratic process and to be run by some kind of dictatorship.

Perhaps I am somehow autistic because I keep pointing out that saying that smoking is bad for you and that you should quit smoking is not advantageous to the tobacco industry. And that paying someone to say that would be a stupid waste of the tobacco industry's money. If saying that a government big enough to go after smokers is big enough to go after you benefits the tobacco industry, it also benefits the rest of society including the marijuana industry.

How big do you want the government to be?

detbuch 11-21-2016 12:50 PM

A start on a part of "the swamp":

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartandhp

Jim in CT 11-21-2016 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1112448)
I do think it is unreasonable for a private citizen to have to release work they were paid to do. Just as you shouldn't be expected to release the work you do for your employer, Hillary (or anyone in any admin) should have to release that same work (unless it was illegal in some way, etc.).

I can't remember past Pres. releasing transcripts and don't believe that was common like releasing your taxes is.

I don't think it's the same thing. My company owns the work I do for them. I don't think Goldman Sachs was "buying" the speech from Hillary, rather paying her to come and give the speech. Unless her speech had any proprietary details in it, which I can't see how it would.

PaulS 11-21-2016 01:40 PM

They could have been asking her view on global trends to use it their investment decision making. Why should a competitor of theirs have access to the info. they paid $ for?

Jim in CT 11-21-2016 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1112613)
They could have been asking her view on global trends to use it their investment decision making. Why should a competitor of theirs have access to the info. they paid $ for?

Then that's not a speech, that's consulting work. Paul, if what you said were true, all she'd have to do is say "the speech itself is proprietary information to the clients who paid me", and that would be the end of it. She hasn't said that (as far as I know), which tells us, that the picture you painted, isn't even close to what happened.

rphud 11-22-2016 12:13 PM

Late to the party and it may have been posted already, but the one professor somewhere that predicted the Trump win a while back followed up with a prediction that he will be impeached to put Pence in the oval office full time. Now that's a prediction!

Nebe 11-22-2016 12:17 PM

Wouldn't surprise me.
Have I mentioned legalization of marijuana ? Kiss that goodbye.
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wdmso 11-23-2016 05:47 AM

Billionaire US President-elect Donald Trump has said he is not obliged to cut ties to his business empire when he takes office on 20 January.

His son-in-law Jared Kushner - a real estate heir who has no experience of diplomacy - could help forge peace between Israel and Palestinians (really and you all complained about the commuinty orignizer )


The US should not be a "nation-builder" in the world this I agree with.. but not sure his Cabinet are on the same page

And the right took a fit with Bill on a plane with the Attorney General . the Clinton foundation and donations from other Governments quid pro quo

But they remain silent with the suggestion he is unwilling to cutting ties with business with tie's or loans from other government..

And his administration will be going after Unions so much for working class America

scottw 11-23-2016 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1112682)
Billionaire US President-elect Donald Trump has said he is not obliged to cut ties to his business empire when he takes office on 20 January.

His son-in-law Jared Kushner - a real estate heir who has no experience of diplomacy - could help forge peace between Israel and Palestinians (really and you all complained about the commuinty orignizer )


The US should not be a "nation-builder" in the world this I agree with.. but not sure his Cabinet are on the same page

And the right took a fit with Bill on a plane with the Attorney General . the Clinton foundation and donations from other Governments quid pro quo

But they remain silent with the suggestion he is unwilling to cutting ties with business with tie's or loans from other government..

And his administration will be going after Unions so much for working class America

so you are saying you have a problem with people on the right holding(or not) Trump to the same standards(or lack of) that people have held the Clinton's(and others) to in the past?..........and before any of the things you listed have actually occurred...this is like "fake news"...:huh:

Jim in CT 11-23-2016 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1112682)
Billionaire US President-elect Donald Trump has said he is not obliged to cut ties to his business empire when he takes office on 20 January.

His son-in-law Jared Kushner - a real estate heir who has no experience of diplomacy - could help forge peace between Israel and Palestinians (really and you all complained about the commuinty orignizer )


The US should not be a "nation-builder" in the world this I agree with.. but not sure his Cabinet are on the same page

And the right took a fit with Bill on a plane with the Attorney General . the Clinton foundation and donations from other Governments quid pro quo

But they remain silent with the suggestion he is unwilling to cutting ties with business with tie's or loans from other government..

And his administration will be going after Unions so much for working class America

You are suggesting that what Trump MIGHT do in the future, is the moral equivalent of what the Clintons actually DID in the past?

I also think they should sell their share in that business, it doesn't look good. But he hasn't even had the chance to do anything improper yet.

Unions, especially public unions, need to go. Why is it, that when workers are given the right to choose whether or not they wish to join a union, they overwhelmingly vote "no"? And why are liberals opposed to letting workers choose whether or not they want to support an organization like a labor union? I thought liberals were pro-choice, I am pretty sure I heard that somewhere???

wdmso 11-23-2016 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1112686)
so you are saying you have a problem with people on the right holding(or not) Trump to the same standards(or lack of) that people have held the Clinton's(and others) to in the past?..........and before any of the things you listed have actually occurred...this is like "fake news"...:huh:


Do you need it to happen 1st for it to be an Issue by then its to late

With the Clinton foundation you knew who donated what and when the rest of the rights narrative was just that fake news

As of today know one knows who he he owes or who own's him

wdmso 11-23-2016 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1112687)
You are suggesting that what Trump MIGHT do in the future, is the moral equivalent of what the Clintons actually DID in the past?

I also think they should sell their share in that business, it doesn't look good. But he hasn't even had the chance to do anything improper yet.

Unions, especially public unions, need to go. Why is it, that when workers are given the right to choose whether or not they wish to join a union, they overwhelmingly vote "no"? And why are liberals opposed to letting workers choose whether or not they want to support an organization like a labor union? I thought liberals were pro-choice, I am pretty sure I heard that somewhere???


As I said to Scott why wait until theres an issue where the push from the right for him to do the right thing their just remaining quite..

Sadly your wrong about people having a choice they vote overwhelmingly no ...

Yet only 11.3% of our total work force is Union in the United States and Republicans want to bring that number to ZERO Why is that?? thats a lot of effort to destroy the livelihood's of 11%

I see because you cant get what they have thru your Work place they (union workers) shouldn't have it in theirs

Jim in CT 11-23-2016 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1112715)
As I said to Scott why wait until theres an issue where the push from the right for him to do the right thing their just remaining quite..

Sadly your wrong about people having a choice they vote overwhelmingly no ...

Yet only 11.3% of our total work force is Union in the United States and Republicans want to bring that number to ZERO Why is that?? thats a lot of effort to destroy the livelihood's of 11%

I see because you cant get what they have thru your Work place they (union workers) shouldn't have it in theirs

"Sadly your wrong about people having a choice they vote overwhelmingly no "

Umm, no I'm not. That's why unions, and the democrats they own, are so adamantly opposed to 'right to work'.

"why wait until theres an issue "

So you're OK criticizing people in anticipation of them doing something wrong. Should we jail people ahead of time too, before the actually do anything?

"Yet only 11.3% of our total work force is Union in the United States and Republicans want to bring that number to ZERO Why is that?? thats a lot of effort to destroy the livelihood's of 11%"

If you ever bothered to listen to anyone, you'd know the answers. In the public sector, labor unions are bankrupting towns and states.

WTF is your evidence that getting rid of the union, will "destroy the livelihood" of the 11%? How do the other 89% manage to survive? If unions really added value to their members, people wouldn't overwhelmingly opt out when given the choice. But that's what they do in 'right to work' situations.

wdmso 11-24-2016 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1112724)
"Sadly your wrong about people having a choice they vote overwhelmingly no "

Umm, no I'm not. That's why unions, and the democrats they own, are so adamantly opposed to 'right to work'.

"why wait until theres an issue "

So you're OK criticizing people in anticipation of them doing something wrong. Should we jail people ahead of time too, before the actually do anything?

"Yet only 11.3% of our total work force is Union in the United States and Republicans want to bring that number to ZERO Why is that?? thats a lot of effort to destroy the livelihood's of 11%"

If you ever bothered to listen to anyone, you'd know the answers. In the public sector, labor unions are bankrupting towns and states.

WTF is your evidence that getting rid of the union, will "destroy the livelihood" of the 11%? How do the other 89% manage to survive? If unions really added value to their members, people wouldn't overwhelmingly opt out when given the choice. But that's what they do in 'right to work' situations.


work to rule states they want the benefits collective bargaining brings but dont want to pay for it (free stuffers ) public sector, labor unions are bankrupting towns and states. False again but again another example of residents want services yet dont want to pay for them ..

What should a police office make in your town or state ? or firefighter or teacher ?? correctional officer... I bet you would only be happy if it was less than what you make .. Big business just went after overtime over 40 hrs for employees making less than 50k a year I get it make America great again but over time over time 40hrs we dont want America to be that great

scottw 11-24-2016 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1112713)
Do you need it to happen 1st for it to be an Issue by then its to late ??:huh:

With the Clinton foundation you knew who donated what and when the rest of the rights narrative was just that fake news

As of today know one knows who he he owes or who own's him


I admit that it's quite a change having an incoming president who actually had job and career outside government.... I don't think the Foundation disclosure agreement came about or into affect till she actually became SOS...and was nothing more than something they were excited to undermine and work around in typical Clinton fashion

you should prepare now for the fact that everything Trump says and does for the next 4-8 years is going to make you crazy :exp:

Jim in CT 11-24-2016 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1112737)
work to rule states they want the benefits collective bargaining brings but dont want to pay for it (free stuffers ) public sector, labor unions are bankrupting towns and states. False again but again another example of residents want services yet dont want to pay for them ..

What should a police office make in your town or state ? or firefighter or teacher ?? correctional officer... I bet you would only be happy if it was less than what you make .. Big business just went after overtime over 40 hrs for employees making less than 50k a year I get it make America great again but over time over time 40hrs we dont want America to be that great

What a police officer SHOULD make, in a perfect world, would be a lot. Enough to be very comfortable. Same with teachers and firefighters. But this is the real world, and in this world, they should make what we can reasonably afford to pay them. But they are currently making more than most places can afford, especially when you include benefits. Cops retiring at age 45 with 60,000 a year pensions? Teachers who make 100k, and can retire at age 59 with 75j a year pensions? That is insane, and it's why CT is going bankrupt. Other states pay their public servants more modestly, yet they get people to fill those jobs.

As to the labor unions. They give big money to democrats, who then are the ones who decide how much money to give to the unisons they are beholden to. It's a ridiculous conflict of interest, no one is representing the taxpayer in those discussions. And the results speak for themselves.

May I ask what state you live in? Do you live somewhere where union benefit debt isn't a major issue?
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Sea Dangles 11-24-2016 08:38 AM

If a cop,fireman or teacher were a bad job,why is it they are so coveted? Teaching has got to be one of the most stress free jobs imaginable. Fire,police and corrections are for the most part jobs which require zero education and the compensation is generous to say the least.
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Duke41 11-24-2016 08:54 AM

I predict he will be the next Reagan. The country is going to rise together.

Jim in CT 11-24-2016 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1112746)
If a cop,fireman or teacher were a bad job,why is it they are so coveted? Teaching has got to be one of the most stress free jobs imaginable. Fire,police and corrections are for the most part jobs which require zero education and the compensation is generous to say the least.
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Agree with everything except I think teaching is stressful and exhausting. But as you say, the competition for those jobs is fierce, because people want the financial security and especially the benefits, which in most left leaning states, are insane. CT will declare insolvency within ten years, it's not mathematically possible to pay for the benefits the unions got from the democrats they bought
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wdmso 11-25-2016 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1112746)
If a cop,fireman or teacher were a bad job,why is it they are so coveted? Teaching has got to be one of the most stress free jobs imaginable. Fire,police and corrections are for the most part jobs which require zero education and the compensation is generous to say the least.
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not sure what education has to do with pay but clearly you have not done your research on those professions and the degree many officer carry ..

Cops retiring at age 45 with 60,000 a year pensions? Teachers who make 100k, and can retire at age 59 with 75j a year pensions?

not sure were you got this from but thats not the case in MA sure you and do 20 \50% but less then 1% of people take that and Teachers have to work until like 65 to get close to 50%

you guys need real sources not just what you heard ..

I have 29 years at 50 if i left today i would get around 55% if i leave a 35 years at 55 I get 80% .. degree or no degree want my benefits my pay then do my job ... that goes for every profession...

funny when people complains about the money big business CEO make
Their envious and dont value success... but when a regular guy is doing better Via collective bargaining or the strength of their Union it becomes Vile and unfair ... thats my issue with union haters uniformed and disgruntle

Sea Dangles 11-25-2016 09:11 AM

I am not too sure why I was quoted before that statement. I do know there is a lot of incentive for police to get higher education.$$$$

As far as real sources....I spent years as a public employee in my home town which qualifies me as knowledgable enough to stand by my comments. There are few risks and many rewards for public employees. How much education is required at your job,or do you just have to show up?
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