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Jim in CT 01-20-2016 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1091556)
The letter from the IG simply states that analysts believe there is classified information in some emails. It doesn't say anything about when the information was classified.

Why be so vague? Because it's LEAK CRACK.

I'm not talking about the letter, I am talking about what Fox says was leaked to them. Which, of course, may turn out to be b.s. Or not.

scottw 01-20-2016 01:50 PM

ha ha ha ha...:rotf2:

Clinton Campaign Accuses Obama-Appointed IG of Conspiring with GOP on E-mail Report


http://www.nationalreview.com/node/430061/print


she's a special sort of insane...

Jim in CT 01-20-2016 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1091563)
ha ha ha ha...:rotf2:

Clinton Campaign Accuses Obama-Appointed IG of Conspiring with GOP on E-mail Report


http://www.nationalreview.com/node/430061/print


she's a special sort of insane...

Spence, from Scott's link...

"The Politico report Fallon (Clinton spokesman) cites claimed that intelligence sources had determined that no “top secret” e-mails were discovered on Clinton’s e-mail server. It was immediately challenged by intelligence-community officials, and Politico itself backtracked in a December 15 story, admitting that two e-mails were, in fact, considered “top secret” at the time they were sent and retained by Clinton. Fallon offered no new evidence to contradict that assertion."

Listen to the bell, Spence, it tolls for thee she.

justplugit 01-20-2016 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1091556)
The letter from the IG simply states that analysts believe there is classified information in some emails. It doesn't say anything about when the information was classified.

Spence, did they simply state that Hilary deleted 34,000 e mails that she deemed personal?

Guess she had a lot of yoga classes. :hihi:

spence 01-20-2016 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1091565)
Spence, from Scott's link...

"The Politico report Fallon (Clinton spokesman) cites claimed that intelligence sources had determined that no “top secret” e-mails were discovered on Clinton’s e-mail server. It was immediately challenged by intelligence-community officials, and Politico itself backtracked in a December 15 story, admitting that two e-mails were, in fact, considered “top secret” at the time they were sent and retained by Clinton. Fallon offered no new evidence to contradict that assertion."

Listen to the bell, Spence, it tolls for thee she.

Issue already addressed in multiple posts above.

JohnR 01-22-2016 08:20 AM

Actually, rule #1 she broke was she created, authorized, and used an unsafe and unregulated system for storing classified information setup and supported by people/organizations that were unauthorized, trained, or properly equipped to maintain such a system.

Even if it was legal (it was not) the simple fact of her running the situation the way she did on a home private email server allowed lots of bad guys to read our mail. Maybe Obama would have had great foreign policy of the Russians and Socialist Chinese were not reading our mail.

spence 01-22-2016 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1091683)
Actually, rule #1 she broke was she created, authorized, and used an unsafe and unregulated system for storing classified information setup and supported by people/organizations that were unauthorized, trained, or properly equipped to maintain such a system.

You're assuming she intended to store classified information which she clearly didn't intend to nor does it appear that she did.

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Even if it was legal (it was not) the simple fact of her running the situation the way she did on a home private email server allowed lots of bad guys to read our mail. Maybe Obama would have had great foreign policy of the Russians and Socialist Chinese were not reading our mail.
Well, I believe the Justice Department has already said it wasn't illegal. I've not hear anyone claim it was hacked although it's certainly possible. But if she was using secure systems for classified communications it's not even clear if they could have gained meaningful insights.

Here's the thing that most people are missing. Had she not been using her personal server she would have been using state.gov. All this inter-agency squabbling over classification would have been exactly the same...and they've been having a terrible time keeping the Russians out of that system.

While I agree it would have been proper to use the work system for work, there' doesn't appear have been any legal or otherwise damage done. We'll see what the Feds say...

ecduzitgood 01-22-2016 10:01 AM

Step back and look at who you are supporting and forget the party affiliation. Is this really the person you want to hold the highest position in our government? My grandmother isn't a corrupt lying sack of _hit but I still wouldn't have wanted her in charge of the country.
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buckman 01-22-2016 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ecduzitgood (Post 1091690)
Step back and look at who you are supporting and forget the party affiliation. Is this really the person you want to hold the highest position in our government? My grandmother isn't a corrupt lying sack of _hit but I still wouldn't have wanted her in charge of the country.
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Of course Spence wants her , she will continue the policy's he holds dear and can also parden herself so he can say " I was right , no jail time , move along "
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justplugit 01-22-2016 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1091687)

While I agree it would have been proper to use the work system for work, there' doesn't appear have been any legal or otherwise damage done. We'll see what the Feds say...

Agree, we will have to wait, however being she said the only reason she used
her own server was for her convenience, used only for personal reasons, wedding plans etc. and NEVER contained classified info, she still deleted 34,000 e mails while 1300 others were reported classified and 4 reported top secret.
She is a serial liar and how can she be trusted when she changes her story?
Does she know what integrity is?

Nebe 01-22-2016 10:44 AM

I'll just leave this here as a lesson on how a pathological liar operates.

http://youtu.be/fJaic2ek8aY
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PaulS 01-22-2016 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ecduzitgood (Post 1091690)
Step back and look at who you are supporting and forget the party affiliation. Is this really the person you want to hold the highest position in our government? My grandmother isn't a corrupt lying sack of _hit but I still wouldn't have wanted her in charge of the country.
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And yet Politifact say that EVERY Reb. candidate has lied more than her.

PaulS 01-22-2016 11:36 AM

Were all the emails in question sent by someone else or where they created by Hillary?

DZ 01-22-2016 11:48 AM

Whether she put the emails on the server or someone else did is not the issue. She as head of the DOS is ultimately responsible for what is on the server. In government responsibility goes up the chain of the command and blame often goes down the chain. Think about how many department heads over the years were forced to resign when something happened on their watch even though they were not directly responsible.

What is troubling to me is that her campaign continues to state that there is no FBI investigation about her server or emails at all. I'm stumped by that.

PaulS 01-22-2016 01:19 PM

So if someone had sent top secret files to Colin Powell's private email account, it would have been the same thing?

Jim in CT 01-22-2016 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1091710)
So if someone had sent top secret files to Colin Powell's private email account, it would have been the same thing?

Yes.

As I understand it, she created the situation where everything needed to be sent to her personal server. Thus, she forced others to send classified material to her personal server. If they had to modify the files in such a way to remove the "top secret" mark so that they could be sent to her server, that's even worse, and she would have to know that people were doing that, in order to send that stuff to her.

Jim in CT 01-22-2016 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DZ (Post 1091701)
What is troubling to me is that her campaign continues to state that there is no FBI investigation about her server or emails at all. I'm stumped by that.

Spence said that here, and I was baffled by it. I saw a Hilary apologist on TV last night who said the same thing, she claimed that the FBI has declared that Hilary is not the subject of an investigation.

So what are those 100 FBI agents doing all day?

DZ 01-22-2016 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1091713)
Spence said that here, and I was baffled by it. I saw a Hilary apologist on TV last night who said the same thing, she claimed that the FBI has declared that Hilary is not the subject of an investigation.

So what are those 100 FBI agents doing all day?

Not sure - I'm starting to wonder about the veracity of that statement. I would have thought there would have been a statement by the FBI to that effect but I haven't seen it. Just reporters stating their sources are FBI employees.

PaulS 01-22-2016 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1091712)
Yes.

As I understand it, she created the situation where everything needed to be sent to her personal server.Did not know that. Thus, she forced others to send classified material to her personal server. If they had to modify the files in such a way to remove the "top secret" mark so that they could be sent to her server, that's even worse, and she would have to know that people were doing that, in order to send that stuff to her.

Thanks

Jim in CT 01-22-2016 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1091716)
Thanks

Sure.

One of those deals where Democrats are saying she did nothing wrong, and Republicans are making her out to be the WikiLeaks guy. The truth is likely somewhere in between. Hopefully the investigation is fair and non-political.

It won't stop many Democrats from voting for her, it won't get any Republicans to vote for her. What will it do to the independents? WHo the heck knows.

spence 01-22-2016 06:01 PM

The fundamental lack of understanding you guys have over this topic is most certainly mind boggling.

Nebe 01-22-2016 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1091743)
The fundamental lack of understanding you guys have over this topic is most certainly mind boggling.

Worst of all, bill had a ton of Asian tentacle porn on the server
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ecduzitgood 01-22-2016 06:40 PM

This is who the Democrats want to run the country.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-new...evenue-grants/
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spence 01-22-2016 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ecduzitgood (Post 1091746)
This is who the Democrats want to run the country.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-new...evenue-grants/
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See, this is why the Internet sucks.

The Clinton foundation doesn't use the vast majority of it's funding for grants, instead it funds charity activities directly because they can get more benefit value for the dollar.

Yet people can write this crap and many just lap it up without any regard for the truth.

scottw 01-22-2016 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1091743)
The fundamental lack of understanding you guys have over this topic is most certainly mind boggling.

I know right??...everyone is an idiot and your steadfast defense of a reprobate is perfectly normal :kewl: something else is quite mind boggling :hee:

ecduzitgood 01-22-2016 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1091748)
See, this is why the Internet sucks.

The Clinton foundation doesn't use the vast majority of it's funding for grants, instead it funds charity activities directly because they can get more benefit value for the dollar.

Yet people can write this crap and many just lap it up without any regard for the truth.

So set me straight with some facts over how efficient the foundation is and how it isn't a gravy train for the Clintons. Scandals seem to surround these people that you try and portray as honorable and the beat choice to run the country.
I would be embarrassed to support someone who behaves the way they do.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/klayman/130126
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And remember when McCain was too old to be president well judging how Hillary is just as old as he was the difference must be the vagina.

spence 01-22-2016 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1091749)
I know right??...everyone is an idiot and your steadfast defense of a reprobate is perfectly normal :kewl: something else is quite mind boggling :hee:

In this case...yes, that may be the case.

scottw 01-22-2016 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1091751)
In this case...yes, that may be the case.

"your steadfast defense of a reprobate is perfectly normal"


this part anyway:hee:

buckman 01-22-2016 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1091748)
See, this is why the Internet sucks.

The Clinton foundation doesn't use the vast majority of it's funding for grants, instead it funds charity activities directly because they can get more benefit value for the dollar.

Yet people can write this crap and many just lap it up without any regard for the truth.

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I'm more concerned with who they get the money from
Through 2014 the foundation had raised almost $2 billion from U.S. corporations especially Wall Street; foreign governments and corporations...
No corruption there , I'm sure of it .
Why the duck would you give them the money over other charities ?

JohnR 01-22-2016 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1091743)
The fundamental lack of understanding you guys have over this topic is most certainly mind boggling.

I don't know, you have IT guys and guys with security clearances and IT guys with security clearances all telling you what she did was illegal and unsecure, yet the strategic messaging guy does not want believe it could possibly be true.

The Dad Fisherman 01-23-2016 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1091687)
I've not hear anyone claim it was hacked although it's certainly possible.

The mark of a good hacker is the ability to get in, do what you need to do, and get out without anybody ever knowing you were there.

She bypassed security....end of discussion.
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The Dad Fisherman 01-23-2016 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1091743)
The fundamental lack of understanding you guys have over this topic is most certainly mind boggling.

Wow......just Wow...
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scottw 01-23-2016 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1091758)
yet the strategic messaging guy does not want believe it could possibly be true.

he knows it's true, the strategic message is more important than the truth in every case

spence 01-23-2016 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1091758)
I don't know, you have IT guys and guys with security clearances and IT guys with security clearances all telling you what she did was illegal and unsecure, yet the strategic messaging guy does not want believe it could possibly be true.

Good plan, when you need sound legal council...call tech support.

spence 01-23-2016 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1091753)
Why the duck would you give them the money over other charities ?

Because Bill Clinton is a rock star and rich people like to be affiliated with his work.

spence 01-23-2016 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood (Post 1091750)
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/klayman/130126
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And remember when McCain was too old to be president well judging how Hillary is just as old as he was the difference must be the vagina.

You forgot about Vince Foster.

That article was written by a founder of Judicial Watch, a fake think tank who's primary purpose is to use FOIA requests to take government records out of context and smear democrats.

I'll bet he's great at parties though.

spence 01-23-2016 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 1091693)
Agree, we will have to wait, however being she said the only reason she used
her own server was for her convenience, used only for personal reasons, wedding plans etc. and NEVER contained classified info, she still deleted 34,000 e mails while 1300 others were reported classified and 4 reported top secret.
She is a serial liar and how can she be trusted when she changes her story?
Does she know what integrity is?

Funny you list a string of things that are not true then allege she's a liar.

Irony or humor?

spence 01-23-2016 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DZ (Post 1091701)
Whether she put the emails on the server or someone else did is not the issue. She as head of the DOS is ultimately responsible for what is on the server. In government responsibility goes up the chain of the command and blame often goes down the chain. Think about how many department heads over the years were forced to resign when something happened on their watch even though they were not directly responsible.

What is troubling to me is that her campaign continues to state that there is no FBI investigation about her server or emails at all. I'm stumped by that.

If it was revealed that her use of the private server led to some calamity there would likely be some fallout, but to date there isn't any evidence of this.

They don't say there's no FBI investigation, it's that Clinton is not a target of a criminal investigation. This was wrongly reported I think by the NYTimes and just repeated over and over by FOX and all the fake news sites...

JohnR 01-23-2016 01:38 PM

Spence - Keep telling yourself it is a vast RWC :laughs::doh:

ecduzitgood 01-23-2016 01:39 PM

So spence give me reasons why I should vote for Hillary. Seriously, unless you just like to stir the pot.
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