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scottw 05-05-2014 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1038214)
Seems like the numbers are swinging positive now that things are moving. With the technical issues and war against the bill it's no wonder support declined.

-spence

not really sure what is considered "positive"...maybe that's more "normalized reality" talk...as of 5/4

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...plan-1130.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...oval-1044.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...untry-902.html

5/5 USA TODAY http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...o-gop/8520429/

"Views of the Affordable Care Act haven't brightened, even after problems with the website were fixed and 8 million people signed up for insurance before the March 31 deadline. In the poll, 41% approve of the law, a record 55% disapprove of it."

By more than 2-1, 65%-30%, Americans say they want the president elected in 2016 to pursue different policies and programs than the Obama administration, rather than similar ones.


I know, I know...the sources are all the usual "haters" and ne'er-do-wells throwing conspiracy theories about....

Jim in CT 05-06-2014 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1041424)
not really sure what is considered "positive"...maybe that's more "normalized reality" talk...as of 5/4

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...plan-1130.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...oval-1044.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...untry-902.html

5/5 USA TODAY http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...o-gop/8520429/

"Views of the Affordable Care Act haven't brightened, even after problems with the website were fixed and 8 million people signed up for insurance before the March 31 deadline. In the poll, 41% approve of the law, a record 55% disapprove of it."

By more than 2-1, 65%-30%, Americans say they want the president elected in 2016 to pursue different policies and programs than the Obama administration, rather than similar ones.


I know, I know...the sources are all the usual "haters" and ne'er-do-wells throwing conspiracy theories about....

But Scott, what about the NARRATIVE? Won't someone please think about the NARRATIVE?

I have a sister-in-law who is an Obama worshipper, makes Spence look like Ann Coulter. Scary, I know. Anyway, she was telling me this weekend all the reasons why the Democrats are going to win big this November. I just smiled and walked away, hoping that all the Democrats up for election think the same thing, and therefore do nothing to prevent what's actually going to happen.

Jim in CT 05-06-2014 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1038747)
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Both systems "work" in respect to their goals. .

I'm not so sure. Did Soviet communism produce the worker's paradise that Obama, Spence, and Occupy Wall Street fantasize over?

detbuch 05-06-2014 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch View Post

Both systems "work" in respect to their goals. .


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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1041443)
I'm not so sure. Did Soviet communism produce the worker's paradise that Obama, Spence, and Occupy Wall Street fantasize over?

I'm assuming they had a different definition of paradise than yours. Theirs' required the removal of God, who would be replaced by a dictatorship of the proletariat. It also required the removal of profit which they considered wealth in excess of that which was created by labor. It also required a leveling, or equality, of wealth among the masses, and the elimination of unequal masses of wealth accumulated by a few (but with the unmentioned unequal wealth granted to the higher ups in the party). So . . . I guess that went according to plan . . . sort of . . . notice I did put "work" in quotes.

Gosh . . . replace dictatorship of the proletariat with "government" and it does seem that what "worked" for the soviet communists is not substantially different from what you refer to as the fantasy that progressives will make work for us and the rest of the world . . . of course, in a more advanced and smarter and more responsible way.

scottw 05-07-2014 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1041481)
. . . fantasy that progressives will make work for us and the rest of the world of course, in a more advanced and smarter and more responsible way.

speaking of which...Paul Krugman was having a fit recently in an article that he wrote attacking the GOP for lying about Obamacare through polls that they conducted and misconstrued for political reason in, as Spence would say, their "War on the ACA".....a pretty smart writer pointed out that this is a little hypocritical of Krugman as the polls were only done as a result of the Administration(most open, honest and transparent in history) refusing to support their claims about enrollments with facts and statistics and of course, the ACA itself which was hatched, reared, passed and continues it's troubled adolescence based on lies and distortions....


I'll give Spence credit for one thing he's said that is correct, which is that this is "war"....debate and discussion rely on the notion that both parties are working toward "truth" as a meaningful resolution to whatever is being debated or discussed....at whatever point one side determines that truth can and/or will be a casualty in their pursuit of their goal, it then becomes a "battle" as one side cannot reasonably toss aside rules written or understood and expect or demand that the other side maintain those rules......this would make them unreasonable...as we see...:uhuh:


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