Vote them all out. Term limits in the congress and senate as well. Oh and make it mandatory for all children or grand children to serve on the front lines of any stupid wars they wage. I hate them all lately.
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While we're at it, let's get rid of that whole "receive a salary for life" bit as well.

This whole thing is just a huge PIA.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/bl...#axzz2gyvIc7ZD

maybe this should be in that forum for the other kind of discussions, up to John. I thought it was about the ridiculousness of closing an ocean.

I don't think it matters much whose fault this shutdown is, what matters is getting it hashed out to reach a solution, and if there can't even be talking about it, the the leader of this country is not leading is he? :smash:

half the country is ok with a government that tells them what is good for them, the other half is not ok with it. WTF we are not sheep
WAKE Up America, you too spence.
The country is going down the crapper right before our eyes and we are letting it happen, time to do something about it as opposed to the alternative which may be being placed in holding pens like sheep :wall:

National Seashore
 

Well Sat night I fished Coast Guard beach in Eastham. No signs no closed gate no nothing (including no fish for me). I actually called local tackle shops before and there was no mention of any closing of access, prompted by the Cape Cod Times article about the Monomoy closure for clammers.

Rangers !!!
 

Saw two of them driving down the service road Sunday !!!

Actually, he is leading. It is leadership to stand up and say that this isn't the way it is going to work. One fragment of a political party does not get to use extortion to get their way. Let the cards fall where they may. He has met with Boehner. Boehner has no control over the crazy wing of his party. What the heck is there to negotiate? If the republicans can get a bill through that ends the health care law, so be it.They can't so they act like female canines. Boehner needs to get some cojones and stand up to the wack job sect of his party. THat is the only solution.

Laughable ! Thanks for the chuckle . However it is sad that there are so many that think like this but there are more that disagree with you . Did you forget 2010?
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I love the title of that article Spence: "Did Obama shut down the ocean as part of the shutdown?"

I still can't believe they can enforce this kind of shutdown? In Florida is the ocean considered national park-ish with regular federal presence patrolling? I guess I could see it then...

This also kinda smells like an attempt to blow something out of proportion.. oh wait.. I found this in Spence's link:

"Effective at 6 p.m. on Oct. 1, 2013, both Everglades and Dry Tortugas National Parks will be closed. While our law enforcement rangers will remain on duty, all other administrative activities and visitor services will be discontinued until the shutdown has been lifted. If you have a trip planned for Oct. 1, you must conclude your business within the park by 6 p.m. After today, you may not offer any services within the park's boundaries until further notice. We regret the burden that this will place on your livelihood. We will notify you when the park is reopened."

ok. from now on the dems won't allow funding without $10 an hour minimum wage,35 mpg cafe stsndards, ban on coal plants, ban on semiauto weapons. you may find my post funny. i find tea baggers scary as crap for our future.
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Who can survive on $10 an hour anyway? I couldn't.
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I did, and it's not that fun. So I'm confused, is ALL activity on that area of ocean closed to boaters and swimmers? Or is it closed to commercial jobs? I wasn't sure. Because to me, there would be no way to keep regular people off the water, but maybe those services tied into the government, I could see. I'm not in agreement with any of this btw, just curious.

I think the nut is the ocean is open but the park is closed. Remember the context for the link was the blogging about the story.

-spence

Did you forget 2012?

The areas in question, yes. Poaching is a huge issue. More than with striped bass up here.

I hope to someday ;)
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You don't even know what the tea party stands for . Most, if they were honest , would admit they share many of the same values.
Your scared of gay people? I find your wording offensive :)
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I really like tea bagging.... oh ... wait... sorry wrong thread

Bingo. When I looked at my paystub last Friday, I saw the same federal income tax deduction that I saw previously. They're not taking any less money.

Spence has a point (God forgive me!) in that some parks, which require close supervision, have to be shut down. When I was at Katmai Nat'l Park in Alaska, we were bear viewing, and the rangers were needed to make sure no one got too close to the bears. I can see why that place would have to be shut down.

But in other situations, the government is allocating more resources to keeping people out of the parks, than it would spend if the parks were open normally. And in the case of the Grand Canyon, the state of Arizona offered to pick up the federal tab to keep the park open during the shutdown. The feds said no thanks.

The only conceivable reason? Obama wants to make this as painful as possible, to generate anger against the GOP. How's that for a guy who claimed to be a post-partisan President.

I can just about guarantee that what you find offensive is not what the Tea Party is actually saying...but rather, what the folks at the lefty TV station you watch, claim that the Tea Party is saying.

Fiscal responsibility (take what's fair, use it to help as many as possible)
Strong national defense
limited federal government
protection of guaranteed liberties
power of the free market
sanctity of all human life
charity/sacrifice for our neighbors in need

Yeah, that's a repugnant, radical agenda all right...

Wow, how did I miss this for so long......I Cast Ye Off to the the Pit of Despair

The other conceivable reason is that it would likely be a violation of federal law.

I'm not sure just because parks are owned by the Government means the taxpayer can access at any time. Parks have rules...

-spence

That is pretty out there. Many of them are women. Michelle Bachmann for example, no? Trust me, what they stand for is clear to the great majority of Americans, including most other republican officials who don't necessarily agree, but are afraid for their political careers. See 2010.

So you're comfortable calling a successful woman a "tea bagger" Got it.
As far as the rest of what you said , I'm all ears.... What do they stand for that you disagree with ?
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Come on Buck, even you have to admit she's totally crazy.

-spence

Well, if this ain't a slap in the face. National Mall is closed unless you go to this:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ally-closed-n/

This administration really knows how to stick it to you.

Tea party owns it and started it with "tea bag a lib". Sorry it offends you :rollem:

Unfortunately...I don't even think the Tea party knows what it stands for......3 different Sites and 3 different definitions of what they stand for....even Jims listing is different from what the 3 websites say...

http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/

http://www.teapartypatriots.org/about/

http://www.teapartyexpress.org/mission

Rotfl!!!!
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To me the tea party is full of a bunch of middle class blue collar small business owners who think that they are a hell of a lot wealthier than they really are and who think that they are the ones who are being screwed by government and it's hand outs to the poor. But in reality they are being #^&#^&#^&#^&ed sideways by the 1% who actually run this country and who are using the tea party as a tool to distract from the real problem. The big lie.
The big problem is that corporate America has everything made over seas. Millions of Americans manufacturing jobs are gone. They need help and when they go to the government looking for help, they are looked at by a lot of Americans as freeloaders.
Address the main problem. Our back bone has been broken.
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I've married worse lol
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Well, that explains a lot :D

Heard recently today that clammers in Revere were told by feds to stop digging....clammers went to the city and asked about that ...city says feds have no jurisdiction between high and low water mark

I know Spence knows the answer...true or false Spence?

:rotf2: Now I am getting back out of this forum while I can.

Don't know the story but unless it was a national park I'm not sure how they could do it.

Why would anyone want to eat clams from Revere?!?!?
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they all say the same thing just worded differently, they are separate organizations, what the hell is so confusing?...we have 50 different states with 50 different state constitutions as well...do they not know what they stand for because they don't read the same? if you want to be a lock step standardized, centralized government controlled robot, join the democrat party...but first...tell me which of those tea party type principles from any of the sources you might disagree with:uhuh:

hey Eben, if you could conveniently remove these people, those that are left that espouse our founding principles the principles from TDF's sources, just imagine our debt, spending, expanding social programs, economy without the pushback...do you ever consider that? Our back is broken by unsustainable debt and overwhelming unfunded obligations and a sick desire by those running things to control every aspect of American life, they have the tools now...you aren't getting your freedom back.....you might think you are free but you are a slave to the bureaucracy now, and it will get worse because the debt isn't going away and those that are expecting those obligations have the power to demand it....and many say in Europe..."you can get by, but you can't get ahead".....

You can start with grass roots, what a joke.
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Scott. I don't agree with either side.
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No they don't...

The second one lists 3 core principles.

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY

CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED GOVERNMENT

FREE MARKET ECONOMICS

The 1st one throws in

Repeal Obamacare

And the third one adds

Illegal Aliens are illegal
A strong military is essential
Gun Ownership is sacred
English as our core language is required.

And then Jim threw in

Sanctity of all human life
Charity/Sacrifice for our neighbors in need

The Republican Party has their platform and so does the Democratic Party .....so don't you think on a national stage they may want to get aligned.

United we stand....

And no I wasn't confused and never said I had a problem with anything listed......I just made an observation. That they are all over the place on their mission statement(s)
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you mocked them saying they might not know what they stand for, none of those are mutually exclusive, they were established in their "local" organizations and reflect their "local" values, there is no reason why they would need to align as you seem to think, there is no national organization that I'm aware of... they support local candidates....you want them to be more like the republicans and democrats?

where is the problem in that list?

I think we mock for the sake of mocking ignoring and enabling the real culprits....note Spence's sneering and consider what he supports