Read the whole thread you slacker! Had nothing to do about guns. Until someone mentioned that god said he wanted people to have them. Which god I'm not sure?
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God didn't want us to have guns. He only wanted us to Love one another.
The "God-given right" thing,..... I've always thought to be a misunderstanding of the Declaration of Independence due to the "unalienable rights" mention from our "Creator".

Ugly world we've changed this Garden into. God help us all.

My little sister works for BAA and was right near this mess when it happened.
She had been sitting in the bleachers directly above one of the un-detonated devices that was found (it was found 30min after she moved). Watching the media coverage sure feels different when you have a personal connection.

So scary.

Cowards for sure.

OK - please take time to focus on the topic at hand - move the gun / political talk off to the appropriate places.

I think it happened when someone said to take away the guns - because that would of prevented this.

Glad she and many others made it out OK.

And when he awoke,he said;Let them have guns!

Glad to hear, I have more work for you guys anyhow. ;)

My guess it is home-grown a s # h # l # s. Wouldn't be surpirsed if it was connected to an incident that happened recently.

In the aftermath of this absolutley horrific act, its a positive to see the way the city is coming together. The city officials, law/fire, residents, all coming together and trying to help anyone that needs it. Really shows a sense of what our community is about. Now we just hope they catch this sick bastard and do unspeakable things to him.

One of those Founding Fathers Guppy claims would have provided "the instructions on how to change" once said: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

When people start saying "yes, please take my rights if doing so will provide me the illusion of being safe", the people that commit these acts of terror have won. During Katrina, most civil rights were stripped away. Illegal state-sanctioned confiscation of weapons took place and then the only people left with their weapons (law enforcement) were also the ones killing innocent people on bridges and in their homes.

Hey did you hear? A bunch of people were killed and even more injured yesterday.

A little kid ran out to hug his dad and when he ran back he was blown up.

What I'm trying to say is, STFU.

hey now, seems to me a lot more violence and bloodshed is happening in your neck of the woods lately.

I was home working on my boat... fiberglassing the foredeck, enjoying the day and the red sox victory when the news came accross sports radio...having run that particular marathon 5 times ... I was thinking what can I do to help those that were experiencing such joy one minute and such horror the next...my only thought was to give blood.. something I do regualry anyway... I encorage others that want to help in some small way to do the same.... the blood you donate just might save a life...

Red Cross is taking donations, there's a huge network on reddit and twitter of people offering rides/airline miles to folks to get home, etc. etc.

A couple local joints are donating proceeds to Red Cross.

Agreed. Politics and rhetoric should be set aside for at least 48 hours post incident. All this bull#^&#^&#^&#^& gun drama accomplishes nothing but creating more hard feelings.
Lets keep it where it belongs......the scuppers or political forum.
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LW - wouldnt most people have tickets to get home already? How did this tradgey affect travel? I didnt think this was that widespread of an event where we had need for supplies (other than blood)? Im not being an ass, just dont understand from a logistics standoint. This wasnt an earthquake or a tornado. What supplies are needed>

Folks who lost their stuff/ended up in the hospital and missed their flight/etc. etc.

Airlines are waiving reschedule fees thankfully so hopefully those that got stuck/missed flights for one reason or another are getting hooked up.

In a recent thread I joked about hitting 100 posts,,,, someone called me a "rookie" LOL

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! :smash:

If I'm not banned, I'll try not to speak when I'm P O'd again and apologize for creating a chit storm out of your original post JR.

Still P O'd, Gup

While I agree with you that the bs has no place here I am amused you selectively picked JDs post ( the only one that was well thought out ) to take your stand. Maybe you need to STFU :)
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we often see the best in people during the worst of times... T's & P's to everyone affected.

I work about 200 yards from where the bombs went off. Building shook when the bombs went off, and I got to the window and saw the smoke rising. Have been through that section of Boylston for many years of marathons, but luckily not this year. Sadly, I remember thinking a year or two back that if I was a bad guy it would be a perfect place to take out a lot of people easily. Looks like the bad guys thought the same thing.

I know gun control is top of mind right now, but as someone said earlier in this thread....there is a little kid dead. Eight year old boy, same age as my youngest son. Other kids' parents are dead. There are a bunch of people missing arms and legs. Save the gun control debate for another time. To me it's just a matter of respect for people who have died or have had thier lives changed forever.

Peace.

makes sense, thanks

Might not Have anything to do with getting home....150 injured...they may be staying here awhile in hospitals, might want to help families come out here to stay with their injured relatives.

People just want to help, anyway they think they can....giving miles to help somebody come out makes them feel good...nice article in the paper today about people offering up their homes for people to stay if they need to.....probably not to many will take them up on it...still makes people feel good that they offered....

Back on topic, debate the other issues later / in a different thread.

Let us get the facts to be investigate, reported, and then dealt with. Give thanks, respect, and prayers (if you do that) to those that need it.

For the individual that reported this thread as trolling, please don't add fuel to the fire.

I wouldn't worry about it. We are all PO'd and have our own opinions. It was a very easy thread to get side-railed

They are reporting that the devices were made from pressure cookers with metal and ball breeaing for debri.

That should help in narrowing their search.
Add to that any video footage from the stores on that street and they should hopefully be able to find who the culprits are.

I would imagine that they could be able to figure out what brand/model of cooker was used, and look for possible purchase points and go from there.

forensic science is definitely a big help in these matters.

Agreed. Too bad that empathy, which we display so selflessly at the worst of times, doesn't seem to last.

Hopefully the feds will do a better job catching these terrorists than they did in Benghazi.

Also car rides, places to stay, food, phone/internet etc. has all been offered, really awesome of the Bostonians. :)

Not that it means anything, but pressure cooker bombs have been used by terrorists in the past. Still curious to hear if anyone will claim responsibility for this.

Just announced, $50,000 reward for info leading to the capture of whoever did this.

I think the pressure cookers are usually used as rudimentary timing devices.

I bet those responsible will get caught. That's not the same thing as someone taking responsibility before getting caught.

I'm sure they'll get whoever's responsible. They might have a person or people in custody already but aren't making it public yet. What I meant was that terrorist groups usually claim responsibility by now if they're behind a bombing.

I'm trying to imagine how much, and what kind, of explosive propellant would be required to get ball bearings (or small lead shot, or whatever), moving at sufficient velocity to take off limbs, bone and all. The femur is one of the biggest, and strongest, bones in a human body. I've seen the results of a 12 gauge blast taking off a hand, but a femur?

It had to be one powerful device, I would think. I'm kind of doubting that it was the handiwork of a rank amateur.

I was watching one of the talking heads last night stating this was a "low power" explosive device which would propel a ball bearinbg at 7,000 feet per second, as opposed to a high powered explosive propelling an object at 25K feet per second. The head then stated a rifle shot is on the order of 1200-1300 feet per second (familiar with this).

This stuff is well out of my wheel house and I have no idea how accurate the talking head was but it lines up a bit with what is being discussed. So take it for what it is worth and what you paid for it ;)

black powder is sufficiently powerful enough and either cheap or easy to make. from what i've been told, this is amateur woodsman homegrown stuff. the other side likes the high speed binaries that cause massive internal trauma without the need for shrapnel.

I agree.
I don't want to sound all "NCIS" here, but when an overseas terrorist group pulls a stunt like this, there is usually some kind of "chatter" between members and between cells (for attack coordination).
There has been no mention of any communication/chattr involving this attack. No one has laid claim to this one as well.

I can only imagine that whatever propellent that was used was probably tested for its effectiveness beforehand. That would also explain the pressure cooker device. Low power explosive in a pressure cooker will build up sufficient force that when released, will increase the force of the blast.

Maybe when they get those responsible we can try our own experiments with "propellents" on them?

It doesn't have to be C 4 to cause all that damage. When the bomb goes off inside of the pressure cooker it builds force prior to causing the cooker to expand and as we all know, blowup. How large the amount of propellant used, the greater the demand for oxygen, more oxygen needed, greater area of destruction. I think we'll find thats where the blast force/propellant enters into it. Low speed bombs, 3300 ft. per second or less, can be extremely damaging. There were nails, BB's, bearings and what not inside of these packages. See the damage to the bodies that were done, and you'll know longer wonder why so many limbs were lost in the civil war from ball bearing being fired from muskets at low speed.


I have deep admiration for those peole who ran into the fire, so to speak, and did not shrink when it was time. There were a huge number of very courageous individuals that acted without concern for themselves after the bombing. Police and firefighters, and EMS are paid to act, but the civilians to do what they did without thought of injury to themselves is an extremely selfless act.

When the POS is caught, he'll be charged federally, so a more appropriate justice will be handed down.

I agree as well, and when the person/persons are caught, and are found guilty in accordance of the law, they are show the same measure of compassion and mercy they showed (to the innocent victims) when they get the death sentence. I say this crime is definitely worthy of the chair, or getting strung up as it were.

I need to go fishing to get this out of my head, at least for a few hours.....

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How about this whole thread gets permanently deleted. We are all seeing it at work, on the radio, and on the news when we get home. It's depressing. We all know it happened. I say when we come here to talk about fishing, we talk about fishing and other things related to the site.??
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