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detbuch 04-29-2011 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by zimmy (Post 855259)
1. Repeal the Affordable Care Act (Health Insurance Reform)
I think in the end it will be much better than the current system

Most think it will be worse. It is also an unconstitutional mandate. But who cares about the Constitution anyway?

2. Privatize Social Security or phase it out altogether
Privatizing social security is stupid.

Another unconstitutional mandate that helps create the originally feared all powerful central government that will inevitably, as such governments will do because they can, overspend the national treasure and create unsustainable debts and bankrupt economic systems that must be taxed at higher and higher rates.

3. End Medicare as it presently exists
The voucher thing is a joke. Ok, now that you are 65 go out and get your own insurance

All forms of universal insurance, whether private or public, will fail to contain costs because universal insurance is a major contributor to higher cost compared to out of pocket payment due to the bigger pocket to pick, and the U.S. Government has the biggest pocket. #^&#^&#^&#^&er over which type of insurance and then grump over unaffordable premiums. At least with some variety and competition, there is a chance of finding something cheaper. Best take Raven's advice and take charge of your own health--stay healthy.

4. Extend the Bush tax cuts

Not for over 500,000 imo. tax rate of the 1990's

"imo" is the key phrase. It's all just opinion--250,000K, 500,000K, 1Mil, 90%, whatever, won't make a difference on budgets or debt. Money will be spent to get votes as always, and government will print and borrow money to lower value of dollar and help it to pay some debt with cheap money, and the economy will be depressed, and eventually (if it doesn't collapse) rebound and the process will continue.

5. Repeal Wall Street Reform
2000's all over again

Repeal, don't repeal, blah-blah, sing-song-sing-song, been reforms-repeals-reforms-new ways to beat the game or the old ways of bribing the politicians. Forgetaboutit.

6. Protect those responsible for the oil spill and future environmental catastrophes

Cap liabilities for those responsible for environmental disasters like the Gulf oil spill and let companies like BP decide which victims deserve compensation for the disaster and what the timeline for relief should be.
F' that

Ahh, what the H, just continue to play political games with "disasters" and "crises" as always--nothing new.

7. Abolish the Department of Education
could use cuts, but there are alot of things that are necessary that would get dumped on the states. So millionaires can pay less taxes? No thanks

Another unconstitutional encroachment on the states by the feds. The states pay 90 percent of education cost so another 10 percent "dumped" on them WHERE THE RESPONSIBILITY BELONGS could actually be less costly since there wouldn't be unfunded mandates to adhere to and the people would be more in control of costs, standards, and objectives, and less money would be siphoned out of the states to the national government in order to be partially returned for the benefit of Federal control over state educational responsiibility. And abolishing the dept. would return to the idea of the States as laboratories in the diverse experiments in uplifting their citizens.

8. Abolish the Department of Energy
are you kidding me?
End America's investments in a clean-energy future and disband the organization responsible for oversight of nuclear materials.

"America's investments" is a high-sounding phrase--almost sacred sounding. But it can just be the stultifying sound of the central planner telling us all how it should be done and how much "all Americans" must pay for that plan from on high. No various States deciding on energy policies that suit them (might be some great varieties of ideas)--but the States are too dumb for that--even though the super-intelligent central planners actually come from the States. Do we need an entire Department of Energy to oversee nuclear materials?

9. Abolish the Environmental Protection Agency

Pre 1970's environment was great wasn't it?

Again, another high sounding title that presumes States cannot "protect" their environments. And there must only be adherence to the One Way from on high--not experiments from diverse thinkers throughout the States. And, again, another unconstitutional agency, one of 300 or so administrative agencies that violate the "non-delegation" doctrine inherent in the constitutionally enumerated legislative powers of congress. Not only does the Constitution prohibit congress from delegating its legislative function to another agency, but these regulatory agencies are mini-governments in themsleves, having legislative, executive, and judiciary powers in the same hand, which Madison said was the very definition of tyranny.

10. Repeal the 17th Amendment

This is genius :wall:

Enough reasons for you?

Abolishing the 17th ammendment would revert election of senators back to the original constitutional method of appointing them by the State legislators who are chosen by the people of the State. The Senate is supposed to be a deliberative check on hasty decisions of congress and to prevent congress from squandering the national treasury, especially from spending it to buy votes. Now that senators must campaign, they too must spend money and get money to get elected. They are now beholden more to large donors than to the average citizen, and are major political benefactors to large corporations, thus being greatly responsible for those corporations paying little to no taxes. Not only are they now more beholden to big money than to the average citizen, they act more in concert with the national party and are more animals of that party than respondents to their respective States as they were when chosen by their state legislatures and were beholden solely to their States and citizens of those States. This repeal will help to restore power back to the States and away from the Centralized government in Washington D.C. It will help give the States more control of their own distinct problems and cures and devolve power back to the people. The momentum for the massive growth of the central government began in earnest in the beginning of the 20th century and the 17th ammendment was one of the reasons for that growth.

Raven 04-30-2011 04:26 AM

why?
 
Because he's even a BETTER Con Artist

UserRemoved 05-01-2011 09:56 PM

WHY???

Osama bin Laden Killed by US Strike - ABC News

Because now he's the guy who killed Bin Laden.

He's gonna milk the #^&#^&#^&#^& out of this. He's God now.

This country is now in a world of shat.

BigFish 05-01-2011 09:58 PM

Only a fool would think that Obama killed him! Our forces and intelligence got him.....end of story.

UserRemoved 05-02-2011 04:46 AM

And only a fool would discount what he's going to get out of this. Did you listen to him last night? I bet not. He SAID HE (EMPH ON HE) ordered Leon Panetta to make this his highest priority.

He is the commander in chief (though as much as I'd like to call him the jester in chief)

+1 for Snowbama. He did what Bush did not.


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Originally Posted by BigFish (Post 855741)
Only a fool would think that Obama killed him! Our forces and intelligence got him.....end of story.


UserRemoved 05-02-2011 04:48 AM

Cept now the only problem is your going to have 300 of these pieces of #^&#^&#^&#^& coming out of the woodwork declaring Jihad on the US.

I'm placing odds that sometime in the next week to month you will see one muther huge terror attack. Probably here. Maybe somewhere else. It's going to happen now. He's now a Martyr........he died for the cause.

BigFish 05-02-2011 05:06 AM

I heard him Scott....you do not listen more intently than anyone else!

Does not change the economy so he will not even smell re-election.

UserRemoved 05-02-2011 05:32 AM

Well just sit on your hands for another year Lawrence. You'll see.

UserRemoved 05-02-2011 05:45 AM

How do you like your crow...well done or raw :wave:

"This will get Obama re-elected"

68%Yes
32%No

Total Votes: 72,794

zimmy 05-02-2011 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFish (Post 855775)

Does not change the economy so he will not even smell re-election.

The economy a year from now is why he may get re-elected. It is only going up from where it was when he came in.

Duke41 05-02-2011 08:08 AM

Give the guy a break. He is getting it done. What the hell has the Republican Party done for anyone on this site. Really, I would like to know.

UserRemoved 05-02-2011 08:32 AM

This will get Obama re-elected

66%Yes
34%No

Total Votes: 102,788

BigFish 05-02-2011 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Saltys (Post 855790)
How do you like your crow...well done or raw :wave:

"This will get Obama re-elected"

68%Yes
32%No

Total Votes: 72,794

In a couple days....the Americans with the short memory will remember where fuel prices are, and the fact that they have no job and things will be back to normal!

The Dad Fisherman 05-02-2011 09:26 AM

Who's he gonna run against?

UserRemoved 05-02-2011 09:44 AM

Larry :rotf2:

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 855850)
Who's he gonna run against?


UserRemoved 05-02-2011 12:24 PM

Larry your crow is on the grill

Gallup.Com - Polling Matters by Frank Newport: History Suggests a Rally in Obama's Job Approval Rating as a Result of Bin Laden's Death

BigFish 05-02-2011 12:43 PM

2 years away kiddies. The wheels on the bandwagon have broken from all you ignorant folks climbing back on board! Amazing how fickle the American public is and by that I mean stupid!:smash:

UserRemoved 05-02-2011 01:24 PM

oh be still my heart :rotf2:

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Originally Posted by BigFish (Post 855896)
2 years away kiddies. The wheels on the bandwagon have broken from all you ignorant folks climbing back on board! Amazing how fickle the American public is and by that I mean stupid!:smash:


buckman 05-02-2011 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke41 (Post 855833)
Give the guy a break. He is getting it done. What the hell has the Republican Party done for anyone on this site. Really, I would like to know.

Actually he "inherited" the situation that in the end killed OBL, from Bush. I believe Cheney and Rumsfeld played a role too.:uhuh:

JohnnyD 05-02-2011 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 855929)
Actually he "inherited" the situation that in the end killed OBL, from Bush. I believe Cheney and Rumsfeld played a role too.:uhuh:

Actually, he "inherited" a situation that lost focus on what the war on terror was suppose to be - bin Laden. Then, he took office and redirected focus on where the terrorist fight should be: making the capture/killing of bin Laden a priority and significantly increased drone strikes on locations harboring terrorists.

Duke41 05-02-2011 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD (Post 855938)
Actually, he "inherited" a situation that lost focus on what the war on terror was suppose to be - bin Laden. Then, he took office and redirected focus on where the terrorist fight should be: making the capture/killing of bin Laden a priority and significantly increased drone strikes on locations harboring terrorists.

I agree.

Tagger 05-02-2011 07:29 PM

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buckman 05-02-2011 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD (Post 855938)
Actually, he "inherited" a situation that lost focus on what the war on terror was suppose to be - bin Laden. Then, he took office and redirected focus on where the terrorist fight should be: making the capture/killing of bin Laden a priority and significantly increased drone strikes on locations harboring terrorists.

Do you drink all the kool aid Obama mixes or just the fruity stuff?

JohnnyD 05-02-2011 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 855998)
Do you drink all the kool aid Obama mixes or just the fruity stuff?

Did you forget that whole Iraq war thing and how it had nothing to do with Al Qaeda?

scottw 05-03-2011 03:27 AM

it's pretty well documented that Hussein, was providing funding for just about every terror organization in the region including Al Qaeda, providing money, safe harbor, training for a variety of bad characters and generally encouraging the slaughter and injury of as many innocent humans as possible, if you want to conclude that removing him and his regime had nothing to do with fighting terrorism, you are ignoring quite a bit...

wonder what the middle east would be like today if he were still around ?....anyone ever ponder that??????

JohnnyD 05-03-2011 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 856033)
it's pretty well documented that Hussein, was providing funding for just about every terror organization in the region including Al Qaeda, providing money, safe harbor, training for a variety of bad characters and generally encouraging the slaughter and injury of as many innocent humans as possible, if you want to conclude that removing him and his regime had nothing to do with fighting terrorism, you are ignoring quite a bit...

Is there now??


From the 9-11 Commission's Report:
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Simply put, Saddam Husayn supported extremist groups that would respond to his orders and work against his enemy. This, unfortunately, does not make him the primary suspect or emince grise for al-Qaida's attacks on the United States.
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In my judgment, Saddam assessed Usama bin Ladin and al-Qaida as a threat rather than a potential partner to be exploited to attack the United States. Bin Ladin wanted to attack Iraq after it occupied Kuwait in 1990 rather than have the Saudi government depend on foreign military forces. Several captured al-Qaida operatives have said Usama refused to consider working for or with Saddam


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While some contacts between agents of Saddam's government and members of al-Qaeda have been alleged, the consensus of experts and analysts has held that those contacts never led to an "operational" relationship. The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence concluded that there was only one actual encounter between representatives of the Baathist regime and representatives of al-Qaeda. This single meeting took place in the Sudan in 1995, and the Iraqi representative, who is in custody and has been cooperating with investigators, said that after the meeting he "received word from his IIS chain-of-command that he should not see bin Laden again."

scottw 05-03-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD (Post 856186)
Is there now??


From the 9-11 Commission's Report:

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Simply put, Saddam Husayn supported extremist groups that would respond to his orders and work against his enemy. This, unfortunately, does not make him the primary suspect or emince grise for al-Qaida's attacks on the United States.


if you are going to post phony stuff from the "9-11 Commission's Report", you could at least spell correctly :uhuh:

you sure thoses aren't Spence quotes?

btw...none of those quotes counter my point which you highlighted

EarnedStripes44 05-03-2011 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fishbones (Post 855228)
is almost as polished as Obama in front of the cameras.

Your kidding right. Obama is as smooth as a hotcomb on nappy a** hair.

EarnedStripes44 05-03-2011 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 855929)
Actually he "inherited" the situation that in the end killed OBL, from Bush. I believe Cheney and Rumsfeld played a role too.:uhuh:

Parroting Rush Much!!! :grins:

buckman 05-04-2011 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44 (Post 856293)
Parroting Rush Much!!! :grins:

I wouldn't know where to find him on the dial .I listen to country.:lama:


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