Professor, you shouldn't be watching tv anyways. You should get back to building some more of those awesome plugs you make. Plugfest is coming up and I'm looking forward to seeing some beauties from you. :drool:

bridge to nowhere
pebble while lying to the fishermen saying she supports them

NEVER FORGET!

LOL. I just got caught with my foot in my mouth again, won't be the last time either. The gentleman felt like he had to come to her defense for reasons I did not think about when I made my puke editorial. He had his say and I had mine. As far as the political aspect of this discussion goes, which I never considered, send it to the forum that I never venture too and you guys can beat it to death with fellow fisherman that are way more informed than I . It will much more challenging and you will have a much better time than sparing with a dim wit like me. I think i'll go look at Katy Perry's breast's again. Happy Holiday's.

You gotta do what you gotta do. She felt that she had to do this to combat the foes aimed solely at personal destruction. Clearly she is going to run in the primary, and this gives her more positive face time than she would have gotten from MSNBC. Besides, she is smart...she is taking advantage of America's insane love of reality shows...she is getting an audience.

I hope she doesn't run. I think the perfect job for her would be head of the Republican National Committee...she gets people excited, she gets people to show up, and for darn sure she raises money.

If she ran today, I think she'd win the primary and lose the general to Obama. If the economy doesn't get worse, I don't think she can beat him. If the economy does what I'm afraid it's going to do (take a big step towards Greece, because inflation can only go up, interest rates can only go up, housing prices can only go down, Israel is about to attack Iran) she will win. If unemployment and mortgage rates are both at 11.5%, and the Dow is at 6,000, she wins.

And I just liked the scenery and thought her family was pretty interesting! :biglaugh: Good posts here though! I thought her husbands fishing business was interesting to. I never knew they fished for salmon like that out there. The halibut trip was a little dissapointing though and kinda boring. Though I did laugh a little when she was in the hold icing down the fish and she was getting a little sick from it. :yak5: I'm not sure I'm as in love with her as some guys are though. I think she is attractive and smarter than given credit for. What a great country we live in!:uhuh:

yeah, Hillary would agree with that statement

Ever since she passed the bill to dump the toxic waste in one of the Alaskan lakes and claimed it would be better for the fisheries I hate her and always will.If I did manage took get up in that.Donkey punch for sure.Maybe twice.Everything that she says is a lie and this is all a big show leading up to something bigger.Look at the wall and read the damn writing.I'd rather watch anyone else explore Alaska and all it has to offer.Even though if they could they would separate from the US if they had a say.:wall:

I think it's reasonable that she can't be a total dunce as she did become Gov before she hit the spotlight.

That being said, had she not had looks it's fair to assume she wouldn't have been picked for McCain's gamble.

Had she not been thrust into the spotlight, it's fair to assume we wouldn't even know who she was.

Today we have Palin's Alaska, Bristol on DWTS and Levi in Playgirl.

I say good for them.

But to think Palin's current position in the GOP is about HER STRENGTH is absurd. She's being used by the media as a novelty and the GOP is laughing all the way to the bank.

-spence

But she went fishing! :rotf2:

Such a scam artist.

Puck Febble.

Funny part is with this and the last election she may be the ist female presidential candidate that might be someone to look at. Ilooked at her political record up there an she's a sight better than the bozo in the white house right now. Plus she can prove she came from here.

I knew it was inevitable......I cast ye into the Pit of Despair.

Spence is right, fortunate timing for her....she hit a home run with her first National appearance and has been fueled by BOTH those that hate her and those that love her ever since....

does this inject some new blood into the political forum?....

...............old blood havin fun....

don't want a cranky female President.... like her

one with vision and POWER yes


she's to much of a Mommy dearest

we could use a few new bloods to replace those that Spence unleashed his brain on and chased away forever :rotf2:

P. be careful, don't get sucked in, remember what happened to me on TMOA
plug swap. :huh: I shoulda listenend to you. :hihi: :D
Now listen to me. :buds:

LOL . Hey Dave always great to hear from you.Yes Dave. Every once in a while I post something in this forum and then very soon after I realize I am not in Kansas anymore and I am exposed for the nit wit I really am.:confused: I am heeding your warning. I am out of my element here. It's a pretty scary place.. I only look in here once in a while, but I'm usually just peeking. I thought i would be ok because this didn't start in here it was on the main fishing forum where I feel comfortable but I should have know it was just a sting operation and I got bagged. I'll stick to music where I can just delete anything I don't like.:uhuh: Have a great X mas Dave. P.

Too funnie, ya, an addictive sting operation. :D
Merry Christmas to you and your family too, P.

:rotf2::rotf2: I feel the same way in this forum. I promise i wasn't trying to expose you here!

:biglaugh: No problem I took the bait hook, line an sinker. You set me up. I'm just waiting for Conn. Jim to come into the music forum and say he doesn't like some musician's style. Then I can show what a real moron I am. With my luck he is probably a closet music aficionado and I'll be humbled again, but no one will ever see it because I got the inside track:uhuh:

It was the Army Corp of Engineers that approved the dumping of mining debris into Slate Lake in Alaska, "not Sarah Palin."

First of all you should hate the Bush Administration, it was his administration that re-defined mining debris in2002 including toxic mining waste as fill. The word "Fill" took away disposal decisions from the Environmental Protection Agency to the Army Corp of Engineers. And when the Supreme Court weighed in they ruled in favor of the Corp. This ruling also cleared the way for mountain top mining in the Appalachian states.

And on another note, the person you helped to become your president does not have any better credentials then Palin.

Aside from the legal qualification, which they both meet/met, the rest is highly subjective.

I think their political careers are somewhat of a wash. Palin gets a few points for limited executive experience as Gov, but there's not much beyond that. Obama has more years in the US Senate and IL House, but without much of note.

Academically Palin's a dud while Obama enjoys a very impressive resume.

Ultimately though, people are looking for vision, intellect and integrity.

Ideology aside, even in 2008 it was clear that Palin hadn't really put much thought into how the world works and we never got much out of her other than snarky quips. Obama by contrast could discuss policy issues at length and demonstrated the intellectual curiosity that indicated a lot more substance.

So I'd argue that Obama's credentials were really much better. The proof is in the putting...Obama is POTUS and Palin is on reality TV.

God help the GOP if they can't put her in a box come 2012. Republicans need to get back to leadership and legislation and off this pundit led bender they've been on for the past 15 years. When Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin are the thought leadership of your party you've got problems.

-spence

funny how so many Obama voters feel the need to tell the GOP how to be successful :confused:

in "reality"...Obama's a dud:uhuh:

Remember the medical student that went to Harvard, he was not to intelligent.

Agreed. He may be of higher learning and comes from Harvard, does not make him highly intelligent, after all, he needs to use a telepromter, she does not, she does not have to keep putting her head to the podium to read someone else's script either.

The bottom line: I would rather find her pocketbook then his wallet.

Oh, please, Spence...

"I think their political careers are somewhat of a wash. Palin gets a few points for limited executive experience as Gov, but there's not much beyond that."

At the time Obama announced he was running, he had served one half of one term as a US Senator, and in that time, he had done nothing significant. Nothing. You go ahead, and tell us what significant legislagtion Obama authored from 2004-2007.

At the time Palin was picked as VP, she had the highest approval ratings of any governor in the country, which means she was the very best governor in the country. She had exposed significant political corruption in her own party, she lowered taxes, balanced the budget, and got the oil companies to give her citizens a fortune in profit sharing. What did Obama do from 2004-2007 that's better than that?

"Academically Palin's a dud while Obama enjoys a very impressive resume"

Palin has a Bachelors degree from, I think, the University Of Iowa? Obama wwent to Harvard. Bush 43 also went to Harvard, and that didn't keep liberals from claiming he's an idiot, so obviously one's alma mater doesn't necessarily correlate with intelligence. Furthermore, you don't know Obama'a acadmic resume, because unlike most presidents, he refused to make his transcripts public.

"people are looking for vision, intellect and integrity."

Integrity? How about sitting in Rev Wright's church for 20 years, and listening to that racist, anti-American bile? Or Obama admitting that although he didn't know what happened, "it's fair to say the Cambridge police acted stupidly".

More on integrity...as a state senator, Obama actually supported the right of a mother to have her baby killed, after tha baby was born and outside the womb (look up the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, as I am not kidding or exaggerating). Palin, on the other hand, feels that even babies with Down Syndrome deserve to live.

Obama is more slick, more smooth, and more presidential in personna. Palin is a regular American with values that are more reflective of this nation, which like it or not, is center-right.

"Obama by contrast could discuss policy issues at length"

Right. Like his opposition to the surge in Iraq, which everyone but Obama adnmits was a spectacular success.

Put down the Kool Aid for one second please, and look at things objectively.

He'll put down the kool-aid after you stop regurgitating like a booby with a newborn chick glenn beck bs.

Obama Facing Attacks From All Sides Over Abortion Record - August 18, 2008 - The New York Sun

Didn't he go to Yale and almost flunk out?

so you support socialist agendas?

also she promised the oil companies the north slope and ANWR.
too bad that didn't work out for them.


you don't get something for nothing.

Likwid, did you even read your link? If you want to refute my claim that Obama supported infanticide, you need more than an article quoting Obama as saying "I never supported infanticide".

Obama absolutely did support infanticide as a state senator in IL. Don't take my word for it, and don't take his word for it. How about factcheck.org.

FactCheck.org: Obama and 'Infanticide'

A quote...

"We find that, as the NRLC said in a recent statement, Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported. Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus."

FACT...in IL, some babies somehow survived abortions. In some cases, the moms told the doctors not to care for those babies, who were allowed to whither and die. On multiple occaasions, proposed bills would have required doctors to care for those babies, and on multiple occasions, Obama worked against those bills, because he was afraid that if those babies were considered "human beings", then that protection might be extended to fetuses in the womb.

He says he would have supported a state bill that looked more like the federal version? WELL, IF THAT'S TRUE, AND HE'S SUCH A GREAT LEGISLATOR, WHY DIDN'T HE WRITE A BILL WHICH HE SAID HE WOULD SUPPORT? Babies were being left to die in agony, and he blocked a bill to protect them because of a provision he didn't like? So why didn't he fix the proposed bill for God's sake?

Give it up, likwid. I do my research first, then I decide what to think. That means I can support my claims when I say things like "Obama supported infanticide".

If you want to insult me, that's easy. If you want to show I'm WRONG, do some more homework.

Bush got his bachelors degree from Yale, and an MBA at Harvard. I don't know what his grades were. I do know that no one knows for sure if Obama got better grades, because he won't release his transcripts.

That's what I know.

In my opinion, a Harvard alumni isn't necessarily more intelligent than someone who graduated from a public school. We can debate that obviously.

I just get ticked when Obama's supporters point out that he went to Harvard, as i fthat automatically means that makes him smart. Thos esame liberals didn't hesitate to call another Harvard alumn, Bush, an idiot. They want it both ways, and it's inane.

Likwid, so instead of simply admitting that she actually did some good, you have to ask what you think is a "gotcha" question.

I don't think that Palin's decision to force oil companies to share profits with Alaskan citizens constitutes "socialism", and here's why. As Palin pointed out, that oil is a natural resource on public lands, and as such, it belongs to the citizens of Alaska, it doesn't belong to the oil companies.

But to answer your question, I supoprt socialism to a point, in that I believe that the rich and the strong have a duty to serve the poor an dthe weak. You could argue that my service in the USMC was a form of socialism, because I felt obligated to try to help others.

You might be suprised (since you don't seem to know a lot of facts) that not all conservatives are as cold-hearted as liberals claim. In fact, many studies show that conservatives give way more time and money to charity, than liberals do.

Snack on that...

"you don't get something for nothing"

Tell that to everyone who gets a welfare check in the mail, when they don't have to lift a finger to earn it. Why can't those peoplpe, at least the ones physically able, do somehting like picking up garbage in parks?

I'm not a big fan of Palin in anyway, but I do like the show. Last nights show about hunting with her Dad in the remote areas above the Artic Circle was pretty good. She sure does not appear to have let fame change her much.

Is this the same guy that many said, "if only he had articulated and explained
his programs better to the American People ,he wouldn't have taken the shellacking?

Exactly. Obama is touted as this brilliant and effective orator, the best speaker since Churchill. Yet those same folks say that the only reason that the GOP won big last month is because Obama didn't clearly tell us why his agenda is what's best for us.

This is a great example of why I say that liberalism is a mental disorder. Obama's supporters don't see any contradiction in what you pointed out, they really don't.

Actually, if you were using this term prior to 2005 in public forum's, I'd sue Michal Savage, since he published a book with that very same title....

OK, so here Spence says that Obama is more qualified to be Prez than Palin because he can speak more intelligently on the issues. That sounds reasonable, right?

But here is what Spence said recently about the GOP's victory last month...and I quote directly...

"independents frustrated with Obama's inability to clearly articulate the value of his policies. "

Which is it Spence? Is he someone who can speak eloquently and brilliantly on the political issues? Or is he someone who cannot effectively explain political issues to tens of millions of Americans?

Spence, you are one of those folks who have no limit to how far backwards you will bend over to make up excuses for this guy. He's never wrong, and nothing is ever his fault.

It was her excuse for allowing drilling in a WILDLIFE REFUGE.

Just like 'making jobs' is her excuse for allowing Pebble.

Yep, make 5 jobs at the cost of 20 ways of life that also provides an income (that has lasted longer and will last longer than the mine will).

BRILLIANT!

this is a lay up without the fat lip and stitches....

Obama clearly articulated perfectly for the last two years in a way that all of the liberal, enlightened elitists could understand with their heads nodding and noses in the air....

he did not, however, articultate in a way that stupid, scared unenlightened neanderthal rubes could grasp....

guess he has some work to do...

Likwid, please tell me where there is drilling in a wildlife refuge? I didn't think there was any, but I'm not certain. And if so, what damage has been done?

The pipeline, which delivers oil, runs through wildlife refuges in Alaska. Liberal idiots warned that would decimate the caribou herds, yet the herds are thriving (and now, so is the Alaska economy). That's what you call win-win, and it would not have happened if the Kool Aid-drinkers called the shots. Oil in Alaska has meant that modern schools, airports, and medical clinics were funded in all of the remote communities, vastly improving quality of life.

MMMMMM I wonder what type of degree G Washington had or Lincoln or good old Andy Jackson... We seem to forget that this is supposed to be a democracy, If your a citizen of the United States of America you have the right to run for and hold political office and in some states that's even with a criminal record.Get off your high horses. Some of the stupidest an most narrow minded people out there have so many DEGREE'S and look so good on paper you'd think they could walk on water.On paper don't mean didly when it comes to being a boss and having integrity.You need the back bone to stand up and represent your country not an idioligy or idea.We've lacked that for a while as everyone seems more worried with the world economy instead of ours.Just some input . Ron