How about the Texas prosecutors who were (and still might be) awarded a plaque with two crossed syringes for a successful death sentence verdict?

Pretty sick IMHO.

-spence

Now that these sob's death sentences have been made life without parole sentences means that they now can come up for parole hearings. There is no such sentence as life without parole anywhere. Look at Chuck Manson, comes up every two years, doesn't get out, but comes up every two years. Isn't New Jersey the same state that the cop killer was on death row that all the celebs have been trying to get out of jail? Walked up to the cop laying on the ground, who had been shot, and pumped two more shots into him. Abu Mumia Jamal. Or do I have the wrong state?
That knock the governor took on the head is going to get him voted out of office. People are going to stop putting up with this bullchit.

Death is too quick and not a deterrent, especially not in crimes of passion.[/quote]

Death is a deterent, true punishment, no more no less.

I'm sure there will be a legal argument (as it will put some attorneys in the spotlight) over the validity of his commutations, but I doubt there's much chance a paroll board would let these guys go.

Don't expect Corazine to take many lumps over this. While many don't support aboloshing the death penalty, there are far fewer who would actively seek it's reinstatement.

Oh, and Jimmy...I just read that the bill had a Republican co-sponsor. I guess you must hate them too :hee:

-spence

I have no problem with either of the above quotes. :cheers:

It would take me too much time here to list all my reasons.

Perhaps you could write them down on your own (fuming the entire time of course) and submit a summarized list for us to make fun of.

-spence

:rotfl:

My .02
 

Decades of: living in a cage, little fresh air, little exercise, crappy food, tedious 'jobs', constant fear of prison reprisal, the occasional brutal sodomization....

VS

a quick and painless end.


He'd be better off dead.
A life time of fear, suffering and pain is what he deserves.

Killing others, for any reason, makes us weak. Wrong is wrong.

UNLESS YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN AND YOU AND/OR YOUR REPUBLICAN FRIENDS CAN PROFIT FROM IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1/20/09 1/20/09 1/20/09 1/20/09 1/20/09 1/20/09


Woody

Well how about this one to start off with.

1. I like keeping MY Money. If you and your lib buddies feel guilty about not supporting the career welfare, drug addicts, sex change candidates, etc, etc types then by all means write a check. I already loose 45% of my income to various taxes Hillary is not getting a penny more.

Stereotypes
 

#4 06-08-2007, 10:54 AM
RIJIMMY
sick of bluefish Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Mass
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I was going to craft a lengthy reply but just dont have the energy. Nothing POs me more than stereotypes.


:shocked:

Isn't hating ALL DEMOCRATS stereotypical thinking? :wave:


Woody

PS 1/20/09 :buds:

Sounds like your so miserable you might consider a new country to live in.

Given that NC receives back about $1.10 for every $1.00 in taxes they pay to the fed, does it suck to collect welfare and not pay your own way?

PaulS- Like I said if you feel as though you are not paying your fair share in taxes you can always write additional checks to the IRS or maybe to the RI democratic house and senate. I am sure both will find very creative ways to spend your money. After all the Democrats have done such a fantastic job in RI why not give them more cash?

BTW- I lived my whole life in RI up to about 3-yrs ago great state, horrible political landscape.

As far as me moving out of country isn't that a Democratic tactic?

Are you ready for No. 2

No, sorry but I haven't made fun of number 1 yet. Been busy with work...soon.

-spence

I wasn't complaining about the amount of taxes I pay, you were. The amounts that I pay to this great country is nothing compared to the amount of benefits I receive. To bad you hate the country as much as you do (now isn't that a repub. tactic - tell someone they hate the country?)

I don't know of anyone who moved out of the country to avoid taxes but then I really haven't met anyone who sounded as miserable as you.

You know, upon reflection I'd say I have to agree with your thoughts.

Our welfare state has got to end. We're giving food stamps to US military families, tax breaks to an oil industry making record profits and subsidies to help farmers grow corn for ethanol. And this notion of a "safety net" to help someone at the bottom become a more productive, taxpaying self sustaining member of society? Rubbish, it's simply not the American way. The world needs ditch diggers too.

Granted the taxpayer money spent on helping drug addicts recover is extremely small, but if we just let them kill themselves the money could be better put to use to buy body armor for Guardsmen in Iraq or perhaps earmarked to fund a badly needed highway project between Mohall and Upham North Dakota.

The sex change issue really rubs me the wrong way. Yes, again the money here is pretty small, and usually granted by the State rather than the Feds. Also, I guess you should rightly ignore the fact that there are real medically diagnosed disorders regarding to gender, and that many bills to provide such services also cover babies born with multiple sex organs...

But enough of all that. Legal recognition of someone who may be medically transgendered is akin to morally justifying sex with sheep, rabbits and any other member of the phylum Chordata. This slippery slope must be fought will wild abandon lest we all succumb to the gay agenda. Hell soon they'll be legislating homosexuality among our children!

And you're right on that it's your money.

It's not like your opportunity to be successful was built on the backs of others. Servicemen from poor families who fought to keep us free simply because it was the right thing to do, factory workers who have been poisoned or injured to produce the goods that we consume and trade in, wealthy investors risking entire fortunes, service workers living below the poverty line who clean the crap from your hotel room toilet or pick the lettuce for your salad, Middle Class tax dollars that have helped to build your roads, defend you in wars, insure the banks that loan you money, educate your kids, fight to regulate those polluting your children,

I see that you are insulated from the environment in which you live. Is it your money, you've done it all on your own and you owe nobody nothing.

Perhaps more importantly, we need to do everything to keep Hillary from office. Instead we need to preserve the Republican legacy of the Bush Presidency. Extreme fiscal restraint, limited Government power and a foreign policy founded on a respect of rule of law.

Let them libs in office and I tell you, these good times are going to end.

-spence

Over the top sarcasm. Verbal shell game on social programs. Cash grab from successful corporations. Pity for "lettuce pickers" and "hotel maids"(See Criminal Aliens). Inability to control Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS).

Reading right from the handbook are we?:laugha:

"The amounts that I pay to this great country is nothing compared to the amount of benefits I receive"

PaulS then you really need to get the checkbook out today and write that check we have been talking about, why do you have to wait for Hillary or Obama to take it from you? I think you would sleep better tonight and feel better about yourself in the morning if you just do it now on your own. I think 10-20% above what you will pay this year would be the magic number to please them.

I do have a quick question for you. Are tax increases okay across the board or should only the wealthy be punished? Is it ok for you to ante up the money for the Dems proposals or should it be paid for on the backs of others?

After all Hillary has a dream of building a Woodstock museum somebody has got to pay for it.

More nonsense...

Why do you put this on the shoulder of Dem proposals? President Bush and the Republican Congress have been on a spending bender for most of his Presidency. There are "big government Republicans" just like "big government liberals" just like there are "fiscal conservatives" and "Blue Dog Democrats".

Your continued fixation on liberalisim as the source of an intrusive and excessive government simply isn't founded in reality.

And punishment is a silly rhetorical device. We have a progressive tax system precisely because the middle class doesn't generate the revenue to sustain the government that we all benefit from. And guess what? Those with wealth have a better ability to use their money to make money off of the improved infrastructure.

Hell, would we even have a Middle Class without the rich paying an oversized percentage of the federal budget? What would the wealthy have done without a growing Middle Class the past century to drive our consumer driven economy and staff the factories that generated such incredible wealth and prosperity?

There's trickle up as well as trickle down. It's not about one idiology being right and the other wrong. That's ignorant.

It's about the right balance...

-spence

MAn, spence, you should have written for FDR. You might have had to tone it down little to frame it correctly.

Bill

Wow, what praise!!! :humpty:

Thanks,

-spence

Oh excuse me FDR WAS A FRIGGIN DEMOCRAT!!!!

I take it back.

:cheers2:

:agree:

-spence

Hey, I write plenty of checks to charity - you should try it cause as I said you seem pretty miserable and seem to have a lot of hate. It might help your self esteem and cheer you up.

The ones who have more should be asked to do more. That's why people at different income levels should pay at different rates.

Good for Hillary - NY pays far more in taxes than they receive back from the Fed. Anything that she can do to level that field, I'm all for. States that don't pay their fair share should be ashamed of themselves and should admit that its basically welfare.

Paul,
real 'Collapse' by Jared Diamond (Also wrote Guns, Germs and Steel).

Great chapter on Montana and how it stays afloat as a viable state b/c of fed input of money...

Typically the big "Blue States" like CA, MN, IL, NY, NJ, MA, CT, VT etc...pay more in Federal Taxes and get less in return while the "Red States" suck more from the Federal Government and return less in tax revenue. It's not a clear split, but there's clearly a trend.

This does make some sense for the most part. States with large economies like CA or NY are going to generate more taxable revenue streams, they also have a lot of wealth.

So when hurricane Katrina leveled LA, MS and AL...they can thank their stars there were states with a net positive revenue contribution to help them rebuild in a time of need. Is this socialisim? A waste of your tax money?

-spence

I read Spence's post and you get lost in all the blab. I like things simple.
An absoulte FACT, Hillary Clinton proposed a $5000 benefit for woman having children.
to 179's point - dont take my money and give it away. A child is a choice (right libs?) so dont make me pay for someones choice.
A govenments role is to provide opportunity and not charity. Some people need help, but for many that becomes a crutch.
My wifes family came here from India in the early 80s ( she is Chinese) her Dad died after a few years here, her Mom, who barely spoke English, raised 3 kids in San Francisco, all alone. All her kids are college educated (they put themeselves through school) and very successful. They didnt whine about race, they didnt whine about welafare, The got off there arse and got it done, which is what ALL immigrants did for years coming to this country. This is the land of opportunity, opportunity means HARD work.
The more money the governmetn takes in taxes, the less money I spend on landscaping, fast food, imports, etc. That takes money right out of the hands of the people, who as Spence says, are trying to get off the ground. The wealthy benefit the poor by "buying" goods and services, which in turn benefits those who work. Give a man a fish he eats for day, teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.

Well, it's not really a fact that she proposed it. She mentioned that she "liked the idea". Having done no assessment of potential cost or return you can hardly call this a "proposal".

And while I can't say I would endorse this specific proposal, I can see the logic. We have a real problem today with funding higher education, and this may cause critical economic problems in the future as we loose our leadership position to other emerging nations in many fields. You don't think the Chinese government isn't trying to create an army of engineers and scientists to bump off the US system?

I could see a grant of a US Bond to be used for education as a means to help deal with this issue. This isn't an endorsement, but the idea that someone might consider it shouldn't be construed as socialisim.

-spence

see my solution would be, every parent, stops smoking ciggarettes, stops renting dvds, stops buying lunch and collects alluminum cans in order to save $5000 for their children. Its a unique idea called "sacrifice".

Thanks, I may get the book at the library.

I really don't mind paying taxes to help areas/people who are less fortunate than me/us. However, it makes me laugh when people complain about taxes or welfare when they receive benefits more than they pay into the system.

and a republicans view of sacrifice would be wasting american lives to fuel corperate profits. :hee:

Easy to say for someone with even the slightest means. How many kids are out there right now with parents living paycheck to paycheck?

Certainly individual responsibility is important, but the reality is that our society is a balance between the individual and the group. A good question would be if States could deal with the broader educational issues on their own assuming the indivudual were more responsible? You might still have too much variation considering how the wealth and education is dispersed in our country. Perhaps, some Federal action would be for the better of the group, and our long term benefit as a result. At least the issues should be dealt with in real terms, and not just plastered with talking points meant for snippets on the nightly news.

-spence

I think a better question might be...I was told that the Iraq war would cost about $150 Billion by those who were leading the charge. We now see it's real cost over $1 Trillion, largely due to mistakes and strategic error...caused not simply by unforseen challenges, but rather largely from judgement skewed by the radically liberal idiological disillusion of neoconservatisim.

In this case isn't President Bush taking MY MONEY to persue his radically liberal vision to restructure the Middle East via something so objectionable to the public as (not preemptive but) "preventative war"?

How is this any different than Hillary taking your money for healthcare or education.

Discuss.

-spence

I agree. I dont want him doing that either.

:cheers2:

-spence

PaulS- If you give more of your hard earned cash and time to local charities than I do hats off to you. The only problem is I am not talking about a charity. If you think that the IRS and Hillary are entitled to more money then write the check. Stop spending all your time and effort trying to explain why somebody else should have to pay and not you it is really getting old. It looks like the tax rebate will be voted on today, if passed you could always return your check when it comes in May it might help with your guilty conscious. If you return that check maybe Hillary will get her museum?

179,

Why do you have such a visceral issue with a Democrat asking for more of your money to spend, when 50% of the Government is Republicans already taking your money and spending it in wasteful ways?

It would seem as though the anger could be spread around.

-spence

he is brainwashed. poor soul. Maybe a good democratic victory will awaken his thought process.

:cheers2:

anyone note the3 trillion dollar budget, courtesy of a Republican President Bush. He really gives the pubes a bad name. I believe, but I will refer to the fact checker, that this is the largest proposed EVER!!!

Among other things included are:

-28 billion for nuclear arms programs

-Education programs are expected to be frozen at 60 billion dollars with no increase to keep pace with inflation

Talk about priorities...let alone fiscal responsiblility