In my humble opinion, he won't be a factor. Even my liberal friends want him to go away. Nobody doubts his brains and eperience in FP matters, but sadly those qualifications, or lack thereof, aren't always the standard . Most liberals I know want the Gore, Kerry and Bidens of the world to step back and allow some new blood to emerge as party leaders.They see them as retreads and gumming up the works for a party looking to take contol of the oval office. I am confident Biden will not be that person.

And my wife who's nearly a member of the socialist party loves him :zup:

Biden is a pragmatist and a centrist which is what the country is looking for right about now.

Hillary is the real target, she has all the money and most of the party power base bahind her. Yet a good portion of the country believe she isn't electable.

Biden and Richardson are the two moderate dems with the perfect resumes to capture the middle.

If Biden blows it my money is on Bill Richardson, but I'd like to see both.

-spence

How would have this played out if Bush had said what Biden said?

:behead:

I think people would have been stuck on how he butchered the pronounciation of "articulate" :laugha:

But in all honesty, it would have just been par for the course. Biden gets special treatment because:

1) He does run his mouth
2) I don't think anybody really believes he is at all racist
3) He's a very smart and well respected person, so the assumption is that he's not going to leave himself open for this sort of time waster.

Listen to how carefully Clinton's or Bush's words are...it's programatic and sterile.

-spence

Spence, like it or not Biden pigeon-holed Obama as a black man who is main stream. Thats racist (closeted) all day long. Just because he is a democrat (centrist) doesn't make it right. What he said certainly wasn't as bad as some other far more ignorant people have said, but regardless its all the same.

You're taking his comment out of context...he was talking about black presidentail candidates with broad appeal.

Can you name very many before Obama?

-spence

No Spence, I understood the context of what he was saying and how he ment it. His intentions were not bad by any means, but it doesn't mean he isn't a closeted racist. What Biden said was lazy in manner and ill thought before he opened his yap. To me that says he doesn't care very deeply if at all about Obama. It should matter one way or the other about his skin color. Throw Biden a life preserver he needs it.

Those are pretty strong words. Are you basing that statement on anything of substance or just the knee-jerk analysis of a few off putting comments?

When you look at Biden's track record...and he has a long and well documented track record...I don't think there's much of anything that indicates he's a racist person in any way.

-spence

He is one of those guys who will just talk and talk, typical political egomaniac. If there weren't cameras on he'd be talking to the mirror. He got jammed up last year making a crack about needing to speak indian at Dunkin donuts and convenience stores. He can't help himself. :hihi:

Thier is nothing knee-jerk with regard to my interpretation of what he said. You would have to know me to think my reaction to or subjective interpretation of what Biden said is slanted, and you don't other than here. What he said is textbook grouping in a backhanded backdoor manner. He is just more articulate than an uneducated racist.

Again, you're taking a sinlgle statement that many would argue is being taken out of context.

You're saying his long track record on minority rights etc... isn't a better indicator of what he really believes?

-spence