By all accounts, the election of Hamas was orderly and well executed. Let's please remember the fact that Yassar Arafat was the leader of the PLO. He was the Osama bin Laden of his time and later became a welcome visitor to the White House.

Just because we don't agree with someones point of view on certain issues doesn't mean that they don't want the same things that we want. I know that Hamas stated goal is the destruction of Israel (so was the PLO's). The fact remains that all people want to live according to their beliefs and be able to raise their families.

The only way there will be peace in this region is the establishment of a Palestinian state. The Israeli's will never give up Jeruselem and that will always be a point of contention. Israel will never allow a Palestinian state to happen, so this is a neverending story.

Tolerance is required and there is none in that part of the world.

Great Website you got this stuff from.... :rolleyes: Explains a lot :doh:

Nice Chef, well said.

NAVY CHIEF! where have you been hiding?? Under covers operations?? :hihi:


Skip- that website of yours is just about on par with white supremisist neo nazi groups. :hs:

Mike, I think you're forgetting the small part about the UN partition in 1947 done against the wishes of every Arab nation!

While I agree the surrounding Arab states could and should have done much more to help Palestinian suffering over the years, the fact is the UN displaced three quarters of a million people...promised to help them and did little to nothing.

-spence

Nebe

I've always been here. I just don't post much.

Undercover operations where very successful and will resume in the spring.

Your comparing American to a pseudo government that encourages and condones the targeted killing of innocent victims and calls for the complete extermination of an entire race of people? Get real.

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seems to me that there's a bit to much focus on beliefs and not enough on living.
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a little off topic but...after watching a documetary on the huge military base in IRAQ thats outsourced to run it by kbr corp. it's astonishing.
it will be interesting to see what happens when battlebots come into the picture....ON THE GROUND... as we have them in the air now...

It was a joke...

-spence

maybe you can learn something there...why not be open minded like you liberals always tell me to be? Oh wait, open minded meens I must must respect your views, It doesnt meen you must respect mine....

Excactlly....how people don't ge that is beyond me

Ok buddy....Just keep thinking that all persons who support Bush are Nazis...Your are very classy you know that. You have sympathy for Hamas, Now thats extreme my friend. Your so outta wack in your thinking its scary and rather sad. The pics are meant to be funny....chill out with the Nazi talk. When liberals have no argument you go to the Nazi card. Your so predictable.

Eben
 

Very few Indians are getting rich in Ct. from the casino revenue. Very few.

Nebe when will you give up your land? your so passianate about the Isrealis giving up thiers to the Palestianians, When will you return your land to the Indians? How can you sleep at night knowing you are on stolen land? A little double standad here maybe....

I wouldn't compare Skip's website with Nazisim.

SesameStreet.com would be more appropriate :hihi:

And nobody is showing "sympathy" for Hamas and terrorisim there Skip. The issue is a bit more complicated than that...

-spence

I was open-minded enough to go there and check it out before commenting. I read the newsletter, I read the T-Shirts, Bumper stickers and slogans, and I read the Mission Statement....and it did nothing for me.

Unlike someone who commented on a film that was posted and said ...

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and didn't even watch it. At least I formed my opinion by actually looking at the material.


and I apologize for the "explains a lot" comment, That was uncalled for on my part.

Perhaps it was uncalled for...but in your defense you were right :devil:

Sorry Skip :cputin:

-spence

:hihi:

"I was open-minded enough to go there and check it out before commenting. I read the newsletter, I read the T-Shirts, Bumper stickers and slogans, and I read the Mission Statement....and it did nothing for me."

Good and at least you didnt go to the Nazi card like Nebe. And if i could open that link and whenever that bbc program is aired i will watch it. I have a feeling i might be throwing stuff at the TV but i'll watch it:hihi:

If you have broadband you can right-click the links and save the files locally...assuming you have the drive space.

Don't go into it assuming you're going to hate it, keep your mind open...if you don't believe something is presented accurately do a little homework and get more info.

I think there are some good counter arguments for how some issues are presented, but I'd agree with most of the main themes...I've also read many non-liberal authors would would probably agree.

-spence

I'm not forgetting about the partition. The partition itself did not displace anyone, everyone that was there was allowed to stay there. It was the looming threat that as soon as the UN got out of the way the Arab countries were going to destroy the fledgling state, that forced palistinians to move, the Jews had no where to go, so they stayed and fought, and won. If the palistinians that elected to move out of the way, had instead stayed, they would still be there.

The old saying that "there is nothing new under the sun " is true .

1) Back in the late 30's early 40's it was the Dems that where crying out to get involved in what was becomeing WW2 , and the Republicans saying " stay out of it its their problem we need to be diplomatic "
Now in todays age the the rolls have reversed .

2) Hammas may do some good things , but thats just to cover up their real/true agenda . Hammas has finally got what it wanted , political power . I'm sorry ,open minded or not , this is a big , big problem. They go out recrute , brain wash , and send kids in with bombs tied around them .

just my 2cents

I don't think anyone is arguing that Hamas doing humanitarian work in any way compensates for acts of terror. Rather it's to try to put things in an alternate and disturbing perspective.

Mike, I don't think the refugees had much choice...they could have stayed and probably not lived. The important point is that they were denied the right to return and the UN failed to provide promised assistance.

It is really f'd up and it only going to get worse before it gets better.

HANG ON.

-spence

Spence , when has the UN acompulished anything ? The UN is a compleat wast of time and money.

What in the name of Allah is going on here?A bunch of pseudo poli-sci fishermen giving an Americanized Zionist opinion on age old Middle Eastern politics.
Eben, go make a plug.
Spence, go make some coffee.
Skip N,go make some leaders.

KILL'EM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LET THE MISSLES FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAMN COMMIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh wait...wrong era.Carry on.

no, i only compare that hateful site of yours to neo-nazis, not hitler era nazi's.. You know, the group of guys who go around beating up gays, blacks, and jews.. There are not many hateful websites out there, so that was the best comparison i could find. I guess i could have compared it to the KKK, but they are so passe'

bottom line is your pet website is agianst free speach and chockablock full of ignorant mindless propaganda geared at colege aged sheeple.

hey, if you like it then by all means enjoy yourself. :lurk:

and like i stated before i do not think Hamas is the best for palestine. I am simply saying that the pallestinian cause is not understood by most americans. I dont unserstand it all and i read about this stuff almost nightly.

Ya know what we need?

Another one of those 2mile wide dinosaur ending asteroids!!!

CLEAN SLATE BABY!!!

And the only person left alive'll be me.And the stripers will be ALL MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A link from protest warrior :rotfl:
http://www.communistsforkerry.com/

sheeple
 

lol....thats freakin RICH Nebe.... i love it.

its good to see opinions . but lets face it opinons are like butt holes everyone has one but they all stink .

until you have walked a mile in another mans shoes shut up already

in reallity our opinions dont matter . they voted they have what may or may not be better than what they had . but its what they wanted . ya think they wanted bush in office . I dont think so . maybe the internet guy ? what was his name ? .................................. oh yeah

but you guys enjoy this chatter have at it
im getting another pale 33

Holy Shiite Muslim!Could not've said it better myself!

is that possible in this country ? I know I use it freely !
I dont know cause I wouldnt visit a site that has political info . but college students are a good audience

Lets see...So i hate Jews, Blacks, Gays and i belong to the KKK. Damn, this is news to me. I didnt know i was like that. Well if Nebe says so i must be like that. After all his opinions are the only ones that matter. I hate Jews huh? You might want to rethink that...Who his the one here who has sympathy for Hamas and "the Cause"? "The cause" involves blowing up innocent kids and teaching children to be suicide bombers. Not to mention those people you support voted in Hamas!! Just who is the Jew hater my friend? If you want to suppurt a cause that invloves the destruction of an entire race go right ahead...but you are one misguided fellow.

:lurk:

you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink
:lurk:

Dumb people argue politics.Vicarious entertainment for a few of us but nothing gets resolved.Showing poor judgement and a lack of common decency at this point.People are entitled to their opinions.If everyone thought alike;the world would stop spinning.It's one thing to recognize a cause and another to die for it.PASSION

What the Dangler said.
Nebe u said Sheeple.
Thats A NIBism

dump people argue politics, smart people debate politics. :hihi:

hey NIB :fishslap:

Trust me Nebe,your unworthy diatribe has placed you in the former category.
If I may quote Shakespeare"A rose by any other name is still a rose"
Just trying to give both participants a chance to bow out with what little dignity they have left.