Originally Posted by zimmy (Post 1147247)

Way too many generalizations in that to even bother with. You wanna go down the road of the Catholic priests and make generalizations? There are problems with every group that involves humans. When you say it goes to the core of being Muslim, that reflects on you, not Islam.

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1147238)

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1147251)

It was not about Muslims in the U.S.

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1147254)

I'm pretty sure Spence talked to a bunch of Gay Hair Dressers, so, he's done the research.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147213)

Wrong.

The thing is, you fixate on his foolish tweets (of which there are many), and you ignore his positive accomplishments. Have you ever posted whether or not your family is enjoying your tax cuts? Is your union happy that the national economy is growing, which means more tax dollars for the union members? What do you think of Apple paying 38 billion in federal income tax, thanks to tax incentives to bring foreign profits back to the US?

If we only learned about Trump form you, all we'd ever see, are the stupid tweets. And while it's fair to hold him accountable for those, it's also fair to give him credit where it's due. You don't do that. You ignore all the good., and only post the bad.

We are the sum total of all we do, not just the bad things we do. Do you agree with that, or not?

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147261)

An important distinction, Muslims here are doing a good job of assimilating. Not in Europe, where they want to set up places in their new countries, that look and operate like their old countries. That's a problem.

Multi-ethnicity within a nation, is awesome. Multiculturalism, isn't. Someone said "immigration without assimilation, is an invasion". That's not that far off.

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1147254)

I'm pretty sure Spence talked to a bunch of Gay Hair Dressers, so, he's done the research.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147252)

the homosexual predators who became priests, did not seduce boys in the name of catholicism, they were not motivated to do so, by catholicism. as they fondled young boys, they didn’t cry out that jesus is great.


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Originally Posted by zimmy (Post 1147273)

the Republican party platform is that we need to keep them out because they don't assimilate.

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1147266)

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you keep saying all the Good I have yet to see all this good you keep saying is out there.. and how Trump is the only responsible party for this goodness ..??? My investments have be affected by him positively but by perception not policy .... and thats about where it ends

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1147267)

Many who claim they (immigrants ) dont Assimilate .. Feel Multi-ethnicity within a nation, is not awesome. Multiculturalism, is even worse. And any immigration is an invasion..

But what is Assimilation to theses people? Who don't understand the term or how it even works or what it looks like ....

what does Assimilation look like how is measured what level is considered acceptable??

How does an Immigrant Assimilate thats acceptable in America Today ??

The current climate: I feel the answer is anywhere . But here!

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147275)

Right, right. His policies have done nothing. The tax cuts (especially the corporate tax cut), the incentives to bring foreign profits back, the elimination of tons of regulations...none of that helped boost the economy. Nope, none of it.

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1147279)

Wages have actually dropped since the tax cut was passed. Nearly all the tax cut benefits have gone to large shareholders. The corporate response to the trade war is overwhelmingly negative. Multi-nationals will be able to shift production (hurting American workers) but the smaller businesses and especially farmers are going to get hammered.

They say we're going to see a massive increase in GDP soon because corporations are stockpiling to prepare...then...

It seems like all of Trump's policy is so off the cuff nothing is thought out. We're just in an endless cycle of walk backs, reactionary counter measures and instability. This isn't a way to run a government.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1147278)

Demonizing others is not the path to a free society
https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreign...istianity/amp/
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147284)

"Wages have actually dropped since the tax cut was passed"

There are articles saying June 2018 was a big month for wage gain. I guess it depends on the agenda of the person answering the question. How does low unemployment, fail to help wages?
Here is the data on wage Gains, they are insignificant
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0..._view=net_1mth

"Nearly all the tax cut benefits have gone to large shareholders"

The wealthy will ALWAYS disproportionately benefit when the economy improves. That cannot fail to happen. When the stock market soared during the Obama years, did that not benefit the wealthy more than the poor? Yet all fair people gave Obama credit, right? You have fun trying to explain the difference. Why was it terrific when income inequality increased during the Obama years, but as soon as Trump took the oath, income inequality is evil.
Without the But....
The taxbreak that let you buy your camper will evaporate in a few years, leaving you with payments. If you were in a higher tax bracket it would not. Meanwhile the Deficit grows by the day

"The corporate response to the trade war is overwhelmingly negative"

That's true, and he is taking heat for that.

I see you made zero mention of unemployment. Hmmm, I wonder why?
Nor did you mention tariffs and how they will affect the great tax cut you received def. a tax or duty to be paid on a particular class of imports or exports.

You cannot win this one Spence, you can only expose the degree of your partisan bias.

"It seems like all of Trump's policy is so off the cuff nothing is thought out"

He beat (not by a close margin, either) the most inevitable candidate ever. The economy is soaring. Jihadists are on the run. And he nominated (from the perspective of most of his supporters) two spectacular Supreme Court picks.

He shoots from the hip without thinking, FAR too often. But he doesn't do it all the time. Again, you focus on the bad, and ignore the good (or try to make it seem like the good, isn't really all that good).

You did the exact opposite from 2009 - 2016. The exact opposite.

"This isn't a way to run a government"

His personal behavior is repugnant. As far as policy goes, I like most of what he's done, certainly not all. Unfortunately, character wasn't on the ballot in 2016. It was on the GOP ballot in 2008 and 2012, but the liberals and the media didn't respect it. They demonized it. So we nominated someone who, if he's effected at all by watching his opponents go berserk, it makes him ecstatic.

When you side decides to play fair, maybe the GOP will again nominate a person of character. As long as your side chooses to fight dirty, don't be shocked when we nominate someone who can handle it.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1147288)

His method isn't hard to emulate:
Now my opponent, I have a nickname for him, I really shouldn't say this but, no I shouldn't say it. OK, I call him Big Baby Donny Bonespurs. I know it's not nice to make fun of someones aliments, but his seem to miraculously disappeared after the Vietnam War.
He told you he would solve all your healthcare issues, you would have the greatest healthcare ever, the best. What do you have, the highest healthcare costs in the world along with the highest pharmaceutical costs in the world, he's certainly made that the greatest, hasn't he? And how much more does your insurance cost now? Your kid has a congenital defect, well sorry you cant get insurance, should have thought of that before you had it.
Let's look at the National debt, When Baby Donny took over it was 4 Trillion less than it is now, but I thought he said he was going to cut it more than anyone else could. Just another Baby lie, I guess
Now let's look at infrastructure, Baby Donny knows how to build things, he can get things done for less, but so far he has produced nothing at all.
I really shouldn't talk about his morals, well actually i cant because he doesn't have any.
:thanks:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1147288)

I really shouldn't talk about his morals, well actually i cant because he doesn't have any.
:thanks:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147290)

"The taxbreak that let you buy your camper will evaporate in a few years"

Says who?

I'll be making more then...we did think it through.

"Meanwhile the Deficit grows by the day"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-09/trump-promised-to-eliminate-national-debt-in-eight-years-good-luck-with-that

Funny how people's concern for the deficit depends ENTIRELY on the party of the sitting POTUS. If you liked Obama's policies, you can't be a deficit hawk now. You just can't.
Your theory then, is that with a failing economy you Obama should have decreased the deficit?

"Nor did you mention tariffs "

The hell I didn't. Trump is getting a lot of heat (fairly) for them. So now that I addressed that, can you admit that low unemployment is great, or not?

"He told you he would solve all your healthcare issues, you would have the greatest healthcare ever, the best"

He deserves criticism for failing to deliver, just as Obama deserves criticism for being cosmically wrong about lowering costs by $2500 a year, and being able to keep your doctor. Trump and the GOP blew healthcare, they just blew it. And many conservatives were furious about it.

If he fails to get an infrastructure plan through (as Obama failed) he deserves heat for that.

You don't have to convince me that Trump has serious flaws. I concede that. You are the ones that can't concede the good that he has done.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1147295)

I don't feel the need to concede anything, as far as praising Baby Donny he does plenty of that himself
But like most of what he says it is not quite true.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...onomic-growth/

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147299)

"Your theory then, is that with a failing economy you Obama should have decreased the deficit?"

no. My theory is that if liberals weren't worried when Obama increased the debt, they shouldn't be concerned that Trump is increasing the debt. Is that going too fast for you?

" don't feel the need to concede anything,"

So you point out all the bad stuff he does, but can't accept the good things he does. That's the very definition of bias.

You can't concede that lower unemployment is a good thing. But I bet you had no trouble admitting it was good, when Obama was POTUS.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1147300)

You assume that because i don't find Trump qualified or competent that i voted for Obama, you are incorrect.
Believe it or not, I and some other republicans will not have the wool pulled over our eyes by a con man who claims many things and produces few.
In one election cycle deficits have gone from bad to good in your view, your children and mine will not thank us for that.

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1147271)

Do you need a referral?

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1147274)

huh??

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1147306)

Republican, not a Trumplican, short for Trump Supplicant

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1147330)

wouldn't that be a Trumplicant ?

Originally Posted by zimmy (Post 1147314)

This is from a Fox news interview about a Muslim ban. Let me know if you need more clarification

On Fox News, Trump said this of Muslims who immigrate to the United States: "Assimilation has been very hard. It's almost — I won't say nonexistent, but it gets to be pretty close. And I'm talking about second and third generation. They come — they don't — for some reason, there's no real assimilation."
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