Originally Posted by spence (Post 487063)

It's a stupid question.

Here, answer this.

I think:

1) Gay people should be banned from the United States

2) Gay people should stay and be forced to make wubba wubba love with the Stripersnpr

So which is it? Why can't you answer the question?

-spence

Originally Posted by ThrowingTimber (Post 486943)

I totally Agree with Spence on this.

You should know your facts. I'll try and dumb it down some for you. If someone is an Illegal Alien.

They DO NOT have a valid SSI / TIN or ITIN (if you dont know what the second two are you shouldnt have bothered entering in this conversation).

Yes, that means IF they can find work they are TAXED, same as you and me...

But they CANNOT file taxes, because well their # is usually fake.... refund good.. Johnny law at your door bad...

Remember that next time youre doing your write offs and mostly just when you get your refund checks....yes these folks are actually paying into the gov't and are never getting a dime back....

The same way they are not entitled to a tax refund, they are not entitled to any other TAX benefits, besides BEING taxed same as anyone else...

This concludes todays common sense lesson.

Originally Posted by ThrowingTimber (Post 487244)

folks who've got a tin to begin with arent illegal aliens. These are folks with work visas etc. They're in the country legit. :eek:

Originally Posted by TC23 (Post 487259)

This is a no brainer, whether a vote was taking or not. What part of illegal do you not understand. They sneak in to this country ahead of all the immigrants who, because of water boundaries or a respect for law, wait their turn. They are encouraged to do this by their national govenment as a way of alleiviating (sp) that countrie's social problems. Now they are telling us they are staying. NFW. End of rant!

Originally Posted by Raven (Post 488056)

the constitution of the united states gives us the right
to assemble as US Citizens but that doesn't apply
to non citizens in my opinion and we could actually take the opportunity
to card everyone and deport them in mass quantities if we wanted to.

As far as MOTHERS COMING HERE pregnant and having an American born baby
doesn't grant them citizenship .... nor should it ever !!
or the pregnant women from all country's would be arriving . :smokin:
they are anyways... but we can't encourage it

Originally Posted by stripersnipr (Post 488362)

As much as some people will fight and argue against the notion, illegal immigration is in my opinion, the single greatest economic threat this country faces.

Originally Posted by spence (Post 488417)

This notion is absurd, and I'd argue not backed by any real facts. For all the drain on social services there's a huge offset in worker productivity and tax revenues.

The single greatest economic threat to this country is global disruption to energy.

-spence

Originally Posted by stripersnipr (Post 488422)

LMAO....the only thing absurd is your dismissal of an opinion shared by many minds far greater than yours. Tell us exactly what that offset is or I'll just consider it more Moonbat drivel.

Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 488426)

spence is right. Think about it. Our country can do something to solve imigration problems, but look what happened when a nation threatened to sell their oil on the euro and not the US dollar??

Originally Posted by stripersnipr (Post 488422)

LMAO....the only thing absurd is your dismissal of an opinion shared by many minds far greater than yours. Tell us exactly what that offset is or I'll just consider it more Moonbat drivel unsupported by fact.

Originally Posted by spence (Post 488461)

First you justify your argument that it's the largest threat.

You made the claim.

-spence

Originally Posted by spence (Post 488542)

That's not justification...it's a silly rant.

You think energy disruption is on par with interplanetary disruption? You do realize there's more to the paper than just the Lifestyle section, right? :hee:

Show me some quantification, what's the drain in real dollars...then you have something to compare.

-spence

Originally Posted by spence (Post 488696)

First your table is stoopid.

And I mean stoopid.

It's comparing illegal households which are going to be low to perhaps mid income earners, to a non weighted US average that includes the top wage earners who pay most of the taxes.

-spence

Originally Posted by stripersnipr (Post 488705)

My table? You must mean the table compiled by a respected independent non-partisan organization. I knew you would hate those facts but....... who cares. You can downplay the impact illegal immigration has on our country all you want but at the end of the day fortunately, you are a member of a very small minority.