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1. It wasn't a gun free zone. Guns didn't prevent Vegas, Douglas high, Fort Hood, Columbine... 2. Most of these crazed people are looking for a final shoot out, so the idea of "let's attack, because bullets aren't coming back" doesn't hold up. |
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Vegas is not a school, lets stay on topic. that's a different argument. Fort Hood is actually a Gun Free zone, not allowed to carry unless on security detail/duty. Most military bases are, that is why he killed so many UNARMED SOLDIERS Columbine was a Gun Free zone. and my post wasn't in response to arming teachers, it was in response to clarifying what Trump said in regards to arming teachers. |
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True. My point was, banning the AR-15 does not mean we don't still have a big problem. You can do a lot of damage with a pistol in a confined space with a lot of people. "Have your children ever done something stupid or dangerous that you absolutely never would have thought possible" Yes, which is one reason why I don't allow guns in my house. I didn't say to arm the kindergarteners. I said trained professionals. Even that can backfire, one of them could accidentally or intentionally kill someone. Could happen, it's possible. It's also possible an armed professional can either prevent an attack, or make an attack less tragic with fewer victims. Time for an honest conversation. You talk about accidents, which is one side of the conversation. The other side, is how many lives might be saved? We need to look honestly at both sides, and see if it's worth it. You only brought one side of the conversation, the reasons not to do it. Most decisions involve weighing the pros and cons. You listed the cons, and ignored the pros. I know 17 families in FL and 20 in CT who would give ANYTHING for an armed pro to have been at those 2 schools. You forgot to mention that. It's dishonest to not mention that. |
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PS the rest of the world plays the same video games they watch the same movies they have seen same sex marriage and gays and drink at a younger age see sexual things daily .. they have no more god in their lives than we do and they tend not to have mass shootings and Most allow Guns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overvi...laws_by_nation So please stop the "traditional" family values, argument thats everyones responsibility as a parent |
The USA and Panama are the only ones I see in Guns and Ammo's list of best countrys to own a gun that allow semiautomatics without a permit. I am making the assumption that the best is the most permissive.
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Agreed. We agree on something! "please stop the "traditional" family values, argument thats everyones responsibility as a parent" Yes, it's everyone's responsibility. WAY too many people are derelict in that responsibility. It's irrefutable that it's a major contributor to violence. |
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Columbine had two armed guards. No need to tell me what the topic is. Thanks. Whether you think mass shootings outside of schools are relevant to Trumps idea about soft targets is your opinion. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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What is the evidence that gun free zones hold up? Aren't the vast majority of gun homicides a result of an armed person killing an unarmed person or persons rather than being a shoot out? |
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There were armed guards at multiple sites with school shootings and the armed guards didn't prevent the event, prevent death or limit the death. So now we went from guards to multiple armed teachers. Were the shooters looking for returned bullets? We can only go based on social media posts and post crime analyses It is often the case that the analysis indicates that the perpetrators plan to go down in a shootout with police. Would a shootout with teachers change that? I don't think we know. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
This is worth reading.
https://www.charlottefive.com/arming-teachers/ Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Reports are that a deputy showed up while the shooting was taking place and did not go in. I'm sure all the armed teachers would have taken down the gunman though.
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Do the teachers have to buy bullets just like they have to. It their own classroom supplies?
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Armed guards aren’t foolproof. Reagan was shot in 1980. Does that mean the secret service doesn’t make the potus safer? This is why nothing gets done. When either side responds to the other sides ideas, they list all the flaws of the suggestion. And none of the benefits. It’s not honest. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
On CNN, Marco Rubio was asked if he'd stop taking contributions from the NRA.
Because of course if you accept money from a group which lobbies on behalf of lawful and responsible gun owners, it is entirely your fault when a maniac shoots up a school. Yep. Now we're THIS mindless. |
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forget arming teachers but get rid of gun free zones, if a teacher wants to carry concealed and is proficient with that then let them. We can't arm kids who seem to be the ones under fire in these shootings so provide metal detectors like courthouses have and/or provide some kind of bulletproof cover to get behind. Then work on the culture in this country that produces the unstable evil that exists. Guns are not evil, just because they exist is not the place to lay blame and take rights away from others. |
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It might be effective. It also might not be constitutional. It also doesn't help anyone who will get killed in Chicago. You brought up the fact that armed guards are not guaranteed to work 100% of the time. You were responding to an argument that nobody has ever made, not in the history of the world. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. "Someone thought of a very cheap way to prevent a gunman from looking in" And despite the fact that such methods would have been useless in FL (he pulled the fire alarms first to get everyone into the hallway), those methods can do dome good. So can armed guards. Basketball has always been my favorite sport. I'm not very good at it, never was, but it's such a great game. Great to play, great to watch. Have a great weekend Paul. |
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States and share holders request their retirement or investments be divested for all sorts of reason environment human rights dictatorships .. So a constituent asking his or her rep to stop taking money from the NRA who they see as caring only for its self and feel act irresponsibility .. isn't all that surprising, nor was his response or lack of one |
Trump says violent video games 'shape' young minds
Last week, Kentucky Governor Matt Bevin, reacting to the Florida shooting, also singled out video games as an influence on the way younger people viewed the world. But lets blame Video games who does he blame in Kentucky for the 1,330 overdose deaths in Kentucky in 2016, 31% were among people ages 35-44. Hollywood lack of morals ? |
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Jim the issue is the failed logic by the Right that some how arming people is the answer .. the failed response from the armed officer blow a hole so big in that theory . some will call him a coward , maybe he was defending Covering the escape of other students , did he know it was only 1 shooter Even in combat you cant predict how you or your men will respond under fire |
One thing on this issue I haven't heard mentioned is if you have an armed teacher(s) and there's an active shooter they have to respond to...
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Both sides will occasionally weaponize tragedy to advance an agenda. It's repulsive when either side does it. That's what CNN did, they are a complete joke. |
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If Rubio dodges like he did, he looks like a coward. If he explains the facts of life to a teenager who probably has 5 funerals to go to this week, he comes across as heartless. It was a set up from which Rubio had no escape, because there is no escape. When is CNN going to have an abortion survivor on, and ask a Democrat senator when they are going to stop taking money from Planned Parenthood? Never, because CNN is openly pursuing a left-wing ideology. |
I believe there have been laws restricting semi automatics and large capacity magazines that have upheld by courts. The laws say the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to semi autos. Don't know if they have been challenged. Maybe Virginia or Maryland?
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