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Jim in CT 03-08-2022 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1223967)
Logical?




Yep.

Best we just keep doing what we are doing, filtered ISR, providing weapons support. Extra support NATO countries bordering Ukraine.

i wonder how much of a provocation it is, if we send aircraft to
ukraine via poland.
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nightfighter 03-08-2022 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1223926)
I just read an article that said that a Russian spokesman said that they would stop shelling and cease operations if Ukraine recognized crimea and the other 2 break away regions as independent states and if Ukraine re wrote their constitution to create a neutral country. Seems logical to me and I hope this #^&#^&#^&#^& ends soon.


https://www.reuters.com/world/kremli...ts-2022-03-07/

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Respectfully, what is logical? Are you kidding me? He (Putin) should get zero conditions.... from UKR or the world at large. He will be getting the conditions, eventually, unless he gets taken out first.

JohnR 03-08-2022 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1223968)
i wonder how much of a provocation it is, if we send aircraft to
ukraine via poland.
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Very provacative. If UKR pilots picked up Mig 29s from Poland, flew them unarmed to a base / highway strip in UA and then loaded up and flew missions from UA territory - much safer than flying FROM Poland.



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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1223972)
Respectfully, what is logical? Are you kidding me? He (Putin) should get zero conditions.... from UKR or the world at large. He will be getting the conditions, eventually, unless he gets taken out first.




Hoping for the latter, to think Ukraine should roll over for Putin is fvcking nuts - especially now. Don't know what Eben was smoking but I guess he would be OK with Russia taking control of parts of the US - for peace.

RIROCKHOUND 03-08-2022 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1223977)
Very provacative. If UKR pilots picked up Mig 29s from Poland, flew them unarmed to a base / highway strip in UA and then loaded up and flew missions from UA territory - much safer than flying FROM Poland.

Agreed, that is a smart plan.

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1223977)
Don't know what Eben was smoking but I guess he would be OK with Russia taking control of parts of the US - for peace.

Only Jim's house and maybe Scott's. :hee:
Red Dawn v. 2.0

Nebe 03-08-2022 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1223972)
Respectfully, what is logical? Are you kidding me? He (Putin) should get zero conditions.... from UKR or the world at large. He will be getting the conditions, eventually, unless he gets taken out first.

I said logical because those regions want to separate from Ukraine anyway. Let them !!! Not only would this solve the current conflict but also the fighting that has been happening for years.
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PaulS 03-08-2022 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1223981)
Red Dawn v. 2.0

I was very disappointed when I read an article earlier today that was discussing a poll that only like 70% of Americans would stay and fight if we were invaded.
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spence 03-08-2022 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1223996)
I was very disappointed when I read an article earlier today that was discussing a poll that only like 70% of Americans would stay and fight if we were invaded.
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I’m already seeing “WOLVERINES!” Tee shirts in my Facebook feed.

scottw 03-09-2022 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1223996)
I was very disappointed when I read an article earlier today that was discussing a poll that only like 70% of Americans would stay and fight if we were invaded.
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it would be pretty funny if suddenly Americans were flooding across the border into Mexico....

scottw 03-09-2022 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1223996)

poll that only like 70% of Americans would stay and fight if we were invaded.

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I wonder who thinks their country isn't worth defending and why?

The Dad Fisherman 03-09-2022 06:24 AM

That other 30% are probably gender fluid, live in their parent's basements, and spent four years furiously typing "Not my President" on their $800 iPhone.
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scottw 03-09-2022 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1224014)
That other 30% are probably gender fluid, live in their parent's basements, and spent four years furiously typing "Not my President" on their $800 iPhone and decrying capitalism.
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fixed it :laugha:...

and I wonder how many would "actually" stay and fight....I suspect the "I might not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" frauds would turn tail pretty quickly

Jim in CT 03-09-2022 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1224014)
That other 30% are probably gender fluid, live in their parent's basements, and spent four years furiously typing "Not my President" on their $800 iPhone.
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i think about this a lot in terms of the greatest generation. huge numbers fought for the US, in greater numbers than any generation subsequent to them ever could.

Fascinating to me, is that they all grew up in the Great Depression, you’d think they’d be the ones who felt like they didn’t owe their country anything. But despite living in miserable hopeless poverty, they were fiercely patriotic.

Maybe they NEEDED the experience of growing up in the depression, to prepare them for the horrors that awaited them. As we have seen for sure, prosperity can lead to softness. Fascinating stuff.
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wdmso 03-09-2022 07:22 AM

What’s even funnier people praising those who say they would fight and making fun of The Who say they won’t
these brave New Patriots will to fight if in the remote chance the US is invaded

Never served in any branch of service lol. FYI Only 10% of Americans have ever served ..
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scottw 03-09-2022 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1224019)
What’s even funnier people praising those who say they would fight and making fun of The Who say they won’t
these brave New Patriots will to fight if in the remote chance the US is invaded

Never served in any branch of service lol. FYI Only 10% of Americans have ever served ..
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is there a point here?

JohnR 03-09-2022 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1223982)
I said logical because those regions want to separate from Ukraine anyway. Let them !!! Not only would this solve the current conflict but also the fighting that has been happening for years.
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Much less of those people in those provinces after RU pulled 2014. Even less now. A lot of Russian speaking Ukrainians are fighting against Russia.


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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1223996)
I was very disappointed when I read an article earlier today that was discussing a poll that only like 70% of Americans would stay and fight if we were invaded.
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My boss would be of the 30%, he would not fight to save his family.

wdmso 03-09-2022 08:14 AM

Wanted: multilingual former soldiers willing to covertly head into Ukraine for the handsome sum of up to $2,000 (£1,523) per day - plus bonus - to help rescue families from an increasingly grim conflict.

I think they mean Rescuing rich Ukraine Families

wdmso 03-09-2022 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1224021)
is there a point here?

Yep.

wdmso 03-09-2022 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1223999)
I’m already seeing “WOLVERINES!” Tee shirts in my Facebook feed.

I am seeing them also

scottw 03-09-2022 08:45 AM

virtue signaling is a national past time....

PaulS 03-09-2022 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1224022)
My boss would be of the 30%, he would not fight to save his family.

Unfort. In actual combat I might make a decent human shield.

wdmso 03-09-2022 08:13 PM

Russian claims of biowarfare labs in Ukraine

And Tucker Carlson is promoting Russian lies on his show shocking

And using China talking points

And using Tulsi gabbard to suggest it’s just like covid funding labs for secret experiments..

And no one knew before the invasion Lol


biological research - scientific research conducted by biologists. cloning - a general term for the research activity that creates a copy of some biological entity (a gene or organism or cell)



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Pete F. 03-09-2022 09:07 PM

Yet another sighting of Tucker Carlson on Russia's state TV. This time, he was arguing against banning Russian oil. TuckyoRose is sticking up for Putin's interests and state TV propagandists are eating it up.

Great job by the “CONservatives”
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Got Stripers 03-10-2022 07:27 AM

Russia might not be able to occupy, but if they keep capturing and shutting down nuclear power stations, they will turn a lot of Ukraine into a nuclear wasteland.

The Dad Fisherman 03-10-2022 07:29 AM

Reports this morning that they bombed a Children's Hospital, crazy.
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Got Stripers 03-10-2022 07:48 AM

If this war criminal didn’t have nuclear weapons, this war probably never would happen or if it started, nato could have stepped in to stop it in its tracks. I hope Putin and his generals eventually pay the price for these war crimes.

Jim in CT 03-10-2022 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1224077)
If this war criminal didn’t have nuclear weapons, this war probably never would happen or if it started, nato could have stepped in to stop it in its tracks. I hope Putin and his generals eventually pay the price for these war crimes.

exactly correct. having them, and being perceived as someone who wouldnt lose a moments sleep
over using them. Biden is in an almost impossible situation for any president.
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scottw 03-10-2022 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1224078)

Biden is in an almost impossible situation for any president.

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other presidents have dealt with hostile powers with nuclear weapons...

Pete F. 03-10-2022 08:22 AM

Remember all of the people who admired Putin because he said he believed in 'traditional family values'?
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scottw 03-10-2022 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1224083)
Remember all of the people who admired Putin because he said he believed in 'traditional family values'?
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actually no, but I remember a guy who said putin is afraid of biden?

Pete F. 03-10-2022 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1224087)
actually no, but I remember a guy who said putin is afraid of biden?

I remember a guy who thought that Russia is entitled to part of Ukraine
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Jim in CT 03-10-2022 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1224083)
Remember all of the people who admired Putin because he said he believed in 'traditional family values'?
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who said that?
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Jim in CT 03-10-2022 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1224090)
I remember a guy who thought that Russia is entitled to part of Ukraine
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so can we agree that he idiots who said both of those things, neither is fit to be potus?
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Pete F. 03-10-2022 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1224092)
who said that?
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Buchanan, Trump, Graham, Carlson, Bannon
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Pete F. 03-10-2022 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1224093)
so can we agree that he idiots who said both of those things, neither is fit to be potus?
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No
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nightfighter 03-10-2022 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1224083)
Remember all of the people who admired Putin because he said he believed in 'traditional family values'?
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Said no one ever.... Source?

wdmso 03-10-2022 03:05 PM

Vladimir Putin's 'strength' has been praised here for years
Many members of the American right, emboldened by Trump, are on a rampage against those who don't look or act just like them, or conform to their notion of "traditional" or conservative values. White nationalists admire Putin for enforcing uniformity and not tolerating factionalism. They resent groups of minority Americans — African-American, Latinx, gay or transgender people, among others — for expressing pride in their respective identities.

Take it from conservative Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson, who declared Feb. 22 that Americans who reject Putin should ask themselves, "Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him?”

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...rt/9321992002/

wdmso 03-10-2022 03:10 PM

Russia’s new media landscape: VPN demand grew by 1,092%,

Seems russians want different sources of Information without the prying eyes the state


Russian media regulator Roskomnadzor also moved against foreign social media networks, and Russia banned news reports that aren’t favorable to its military.

The Dad Fisherman 03-10-2022 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1224113)
Russia’s new media landscape: VPN demand grew by 1,092%,

Seems russians want different sources of Information without the prying eyes the state

Yeah, that had nothing to do with the pandemic and people shifting to telework scenarios.

https://www.statista.com/topics/6548...ork-in-russia/

"Remote work, also known as telework or telecommuting, became increasingly relevant in Russia during the COVID-19 pandemic. During the lockdown in the spring of 2020, most companies were required to transfer employees to remote work. One of the trend's consequences was a wider usage of cloud services, the corporate internet, and tools to facilitate communication between employees, such as group calls or messaging. In general, the possibility to work remotely was seen as convenient by Russians, and 40 percent named it one of the most important criteria while searching for a job in 2021."


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wdmso 03-10-2022 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1224115)
Yeah, that had nothing to do with the pandemic and people shifting to telework scenarios.

https://www.statista.com/topics/6548...ork-in-russia/

"Remote work, also known as telework or telecommuting, became increasingly relevant in Russia during the COVID-19 pandemic. During the lockdown in the spring of 2020, most companies were required to transfer employees to remote work. One of the trend's consequences was a wider usage of cloud services, the corporate internet, and tools to facilitate communication between employees, such as group calls or messaging. In general, the possibility to work remotely was seen as convenient by Russians, and 40 percent named it one of the most important criteria while searching for a job in 2021."


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Who said anything about the pandemic caused it?


Russians turn to VPNs to stay connected as online censorship tightens over Ukraine war

https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/0...er-ukraine-war
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wdmso 03-10-2022 05:09 PM

Russian Embassy’s Posts Calling An Apparent Pregnant Ukraine Hospital Victim A Crisis Actor

Alex Jones must be advising the Russians
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