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detbuch 02-25-2022 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1223302)
"This is genius. Bin Laden takes down these buildings with a couple of planes. How smart is that? That's pretty savvy.

"Bin Laden liked me. I liked him. Had I been in office, this wouldn't have happened."

— What former president Clinton did not say on Sept. 11, 2001

More of you're critical theory type trickery. You post something that notorious anti-Trump George Conway tweeted, but you don't mention the source. You do insert the quotation marks, but Conway already put them there in his tweet. Conway was never all that meticulously truthful in the things he said about Trump. And I couldn't find with a quick search the words he seems to attribute to Trump actually being said by Trump. Conway's Tweet sounds like something he made up then followed by saying that Clinton never said it. OK . . . so what?

Trump did sort of say the "that's pretty savvy" bit in a radio interview. He said that about Putin's method and rhetoric in the invasion of Ukraine. And he mentioned Putin's framing his invasion as peace-keeping. “How smart is that? And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No . . . Here’s a guy who’s very savvy" It was typical Trump sarcasm. He said that the invasion was a disaster. He was mocking the notion that Putin was merely "peace-keeping."

Pete F. 02-25-2022 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1223310)
More of you're critical theory type trickery. You post something that notorious anti-Trump George Conway tweeted, but you don't mention the source. You do insert the quotation marks, but Conway already put them there in his tweet. Conway was never all that meticulously truthful in the things he said about Trump. And I couldn't find with a quick search the words he seems to attribute to Trump actually being said by Trump. Conway's Tweet sounds like something he made up then followed by saying that Clinton never said it. OK . . . so what?

Trump did sort of say the "that's pretty savvy" bit in a radio interview. He said that about Putin's method and rhetoric in the invasion of Ukraine. And he mentioned Putin's framing his invasion as peace-keeping. “How smart is that? And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No . . . Here’s a guy who’s very savvy" It was typical Trump sarcasm. He said that the invasion was a disaster. He was mocking the notion that Putin was merely "peace-keeping."

GFY
Trump and his controller and their minions are responsible for this
Just how did Manaforts debts to Derispaska get forgiven?
Who has funded Trump?
What were the Republican senators doing in Moscow on July 4th?
Remember as the sign flying behind the plane said today
Putin welcomes CPAC to Orlando
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Jim in CT 02-25-2022 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1223313)
GFY

Remember as the sign flying behind the plane said today
Putin welcomes CPAC to Orlando
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By Jiminy, THAT'S good enough for me! Because everything pulled behind a plane, MUST be true!

detbuch 02-25-2022 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1223313)
GFY
Trump and his controller and their minions are responsible for this
Just how did Manaforts debts to Derispaska get forgiven?
Who has funded Trump?
What were the Republican senators doing in Moscow on July 4th?
Remember as the sign flying behind the plane said today
Putin welcomes CPAC to Orlando
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Don't know what this debatable, unresolved, speculative, insinuation has to do with Conway's phony tweet. You seem to be struggling for some way to blame everything bad on Trump, and somehow make Biden a glittering arch-angel of good and justice.

You might be more successful if you quit resorting to deception.

JohnR 02-25-2022 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1223313)
GFY
Trump and his controller and their minions are responsible for this
Just how did Manaforts debts to Derispaska get forgiven?
Who has funded Trump?
What were the Republican senators doing in Moscow on July 4th?
Remember as the sign flying behind the plane said today
Putin welcomes CPAC to Orlando
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You are off your rocker if you think this is Trump's fault. I wish he did more and fvcked up less, I wish he wasn't an a$$hole, I wish Obama did more, I wish Congress did more. I don't want Biden to do anymore. For you to blame this on Trump is a shining example your uberpartisanship.

nightfighter 02-25-2022 07:03 PM

The West better get its chit together and start by making Ukraine a "no fly zone". Tonight. Right now. While its capital is still a capital. NATO could more than control the skies with US Airforce involved as NATO force.

JohnR 02-25-2022 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1223321)
The West better get its chit together and start by making Ukraine a "no fly zone". Tonight. Right now. While its capital is still a capital. NATO could more than control the skies with US Airforce involved as NATO force.


The moment the West declares a No Fly Zone, WWIII is on like Donkey Kong. Total War. Based on the fact that Vlad is only putting the less capable third of his forces in Ukraine makes me wonder if he is saving it for NATO.

The ONLY things we can do now short of offensive operations against Russian Forces is to provide armaments and intelligence to Ukraine, provide training to UKR personnel outside of Ukraine. Find some extra Fulcrums from former WPact countries, get them more former WPact kit,

detbuch 02-25-2022 08:26 PM

So now Russia is even threatening Finland and Sweden if they join NATO. This may all wake Europe up to the fact it needs to go on offence. Not necessarily military action yet, but a serious build-up of their military and a very serious posture of being absolutely willing to fight. No more appeasement. No more backing down. No more Munich agreements. No more weakness.

Russia and China have been for several years building up a global coalition that seeks to replace the West as the dominant world power, both economically and militarily.

There may no longer be any room for retreat.

Raider Ronnie 02-25-2022 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1223298)
you’d never know Biden won the election, based on how much time the liberals dedicate to bashing trump.
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Guilty conscious !
They know JoBama never won the election.

wdmso 02-25-2022 08:32 PM

All Ukraine has left is small unit operations . Tank javelin anti tanks small arm ambushes to harass and delay the Russians and attack extended supply lines and inflict Russian casualties

And I expect the Russians will start brutalizing the civilian population in retaliation of partisan attacks on their forces once they install their puppet Government
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Pete F. 02-25-2022 09:14 PM

Ronald Reagan: "Tear down this wall."

Republicans today: "Tear down our president."
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wdmso 02-25-2022 09:16 PM

Putin just claimed Ukraine at the US Military direction is staging their weapons in civilian areas …. All ready spinning the upcoming block by block destruction

Plus he’s de-Nazifying’ Ukraine

Pete F. 02-25-2022 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1223319)
You are off your rocker if you think this is Trump's fault. I wish he did more and fvcked up less, I wish he wasn't an a$$hole, I wish Obama did more, I wish Congress did more. I don't want Biden to do anymore. For you to blame this on Trump is a shining example your uberpartisanship.

NO
Quite simply, Trump was and is bought and paid for

Trump is a dime-store Putin.

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Pete F. 02-25-2022 09:30 PM

We'll let Putin come to Europe. The Hague is beautiful in the Spring.
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JohnR 02-25-2022 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1223331)
NO
Quite simply, Trump was and is bought and paid for

Trump is a dime-store Putin.

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I really feel you would sacrifice anything and everything to take a shot a Trump. It is really unhealthy.

JohnR 02-25-2022 10:41 PM

Make not mistake - we are likely as close to all out nuclear war as we have been since Cuba. Putin is a madman.

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1223330)
Putin just claimed Ukraine at the US Military direction is staging their weapons in civilian areas …. All ready spinning the upcoming block by block destruction

Plus he’s de-Nazifying’ Ukraine


Yep. How much have you been watching what is happening there? Seems to me the best and brightest RUS forces have not been as much in contact as expected. Some of the forces used are the Rosgardia, loosely akin, but not as capable / competent as our National Guard units.

The fact that Ukraine still has active AAD and Air Forces not yet 72 hours in is impressive. Block to block fighting in Kyiv might favor the Ukranians.

Ukraine has held Cherniv, Kharkiv, Sumy, Mariupol, the rough line of Kuhansk Donetsk. Yesterday they staged a deep strike to a couple airfields close to Kyiv, initially held those fields but were beaten back enough that the follow on Ilyushins carrying reinforcements were reportedly turned around.

Also rumors of two RUAF Ilyushins shot down tonight IAO Kyiv carrying landing forces with probably a 150-200 troops each.

They have a lot of issues with RUS forces in outskirts of Kyiv as well as a 100-120K breakout from Crimea. Some RUS SF have reportedly shed their RUS uniforms and donned UA uniforms.

Fustercluck

Some estimates of over 3000 Russian casualties so far.

Fighting in Kyiv relatively close to Maidan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q7FuPINDjA

JohnR 02-25-2022 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1223329)
Ronald Reagan: "Tear down this wall."

Republicans today: "Tear down our president."
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Speaking of stealing quotes from other people

Pete F. 02-26-2022 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1223338)
I really feel you would sacrifice anything and everything to take a shot a Trump. It is really unhealthy.

The truth is Biden has made hard intelligence public, transparently - and it turned out true, it has boxed Putin in, he’s rallied nato and the world community and handled this crisis with a sure even hand.

JUST imagine if trump were still president, actually you don’t have to, just read his statements
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scottw 02-26-2022 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1223341)

The truth is Biden has made hard intelligence public, transparently - and it turned out true, it has boxed Putin in, he’s rallied nato and the world community and handled this crisis with a sure even hand.


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this is completely delusional......

scottw 02-26-2022 05:30 AM

best meme comment of the week...

"imagine voting for biden thinking he was going to forgive your student loans and end covid....and all you got was World War 3 and a crack pipe"

:scream:

A brutal poll number for Joe Biden
Chris Cillizza
CNN Editor-at-large
Fri February 25, 2022

(CNN)Joe Biden has been president for a little over a year. And that year was not kind to him.

In a new NPR/PBS/Marist College poll, more than half -- 56% -- of Americans said that Biden's first year in office was a "failure," while just 39% described it as a success.
The news doesn't get better the more you dig into the survey. Two-thirds of independents said Biden's first year was a failure, while more than 9 in 10 Republicans (91%) agreed with that assessment.

Pete F. 02-26-2022 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1223341)

JUST imagine if trump were still president, actually you don’t have to, just read his statements
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Jim in CT 02-26-2022 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1223345)
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Pete: Biden is bad, but there might be a person or two who’d be worse.

he’s tanking with independents. that’s the ballgame.
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Jim in CT 02-26-2022 06:59 AM

Biden, as a candidate for potus:

“Putin doesn’t want me to be president. If you’re wondering why, it’s because I’m the only person in this field who’s gone toe-to-toe with him.”

First Biden clobbered an armed drug kingpin named Corn Pop. taking on Putin is nothing compared to that.
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Pete F. 02-26-2022 07:38 AM

I heard Putin just used the term ‘drug-addicted neo-Nazis’ and I think it’s nice he finally gave the Trump’s a shout-out.
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JohnR 02-26-2022 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1223341)
The truth is Biden has made hard intelligence public, transparently - and it turned out true, it has boxed Putin in, he’s rallied nato and the world community and handled this crisis with a sure even hand.


The truth is the Admin did a good job at warning everyone this was coming, heck a lot of us were warning this was coming.

Te Admin did a bad job at convincing others to prepare. They did a bad job of altering the equation to the point of change in Putin's calculations (might be nothing would have).





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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1223341)
JUST imagine if trump were still president, actually you don’t have to, just read his statements
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Well, looking at what he did to help Ukraine before Biden it looks like Trump has had a successful impact. In addition known assistance like Javelins, there was USA support including several years of significant training - which we are seeing the results of now. They are holding, taking a beating, but holding.

Pete F. 02-26-2022 08:34 AM

Trump withheld aid authorized by Congress for months until he was forced to release it, then when he authorized Javelins he did it with the caveat that they couldn’t be used against the Russian backed separatists.
Luckily for the Ukrainians, Zelensky didn’t listen to Trump who said “ I think he’s going to make a deal with President Putin, and he will be invited to the White House,” Mr. Trump said of the Ukrainian president
“I really hope you and President Putin get together and can solve your problem.”
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wdmso 02-26-2022 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1223339)
Make not mistake - we are likely as close to all out nuclear war as we have been since Cuba. Putin is a madman.




Yep. How much have you been watching what is happening there? Seems to me the best and brightest RUS forces have not been as much in contact as expected. Some of the forces used are the Rosgardia, loosely akin, but not as capable / competent as our National Guard units.

The fact that Ukraine still has active AAD and Air Forces not yet 72 hours in is impressive. Block to block fighting in Kyiv might favor the Ukranians.

Ukraine has held Cherniv, Kharkiv, Sumy, Mariupol, the rough line of Kuhansk Donetsk. Yesterday they staged a deep strike to a couple airfields close to Kyiv, initially held those fields but were beaten back enough that the follow on Ilyushins carrying reinforcements were reportedly turned around.

Also rumors of two RUAF Ilyushins shot down tonight IAO Kyiv carrying landing forces with probably a 150-200 troops each.

They have a lot of issues with RUS forces in outskirts of Kyiv as well as a 100-120K breakout from Crimea. Some RUS SF have reportedly shed their RUS uniforms and donned UA uniforms.

Fustercluck

Some estimates of over 3000 Russian casualties so far.

Fighting in Kyiv relatively close to Maidan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q7FuPINDjA

I saw those troop carries being shot down man pads? I didn’t think we gave them any stingers but did just read Poland sent some Grom shoulder-fired heat-seeking surface-to-air missiles, and it look like they are using them on high casualties targets …with success

The Ukraine’s know their land not sure if they ever constructed many obstacles or mined road ways


Sending Conscripting troops with less than a year experience to fight a 3 front war , looks like Russians haven’t learned from WW2 and their send everyone approach
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JohnR 02-26-2022 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1223358)
I saw those troop carries being shot down man pads? I didn’t think we gave them any stingers but did just read Poland sent some Grom shoulder-fired heat-seeking surface-to-air missiles, and it look like they are using them on high casualties targets …with success

The Ukraine’s know their land not sure if they ever constructed many obstacles or mined road ways


Sending Conscripting troops with less than a year experience to fight a 3 front war , looks like Russians haven’t learned from WW2 and their send everyone approach
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We sent planeloads of Stingers and additional planeloads of Javelins. Baltic states and several former WPact, (CZ, PO, RO, BU) sent hundreds of stingers, and late RUS MANPADS.

The RUS gains, other than in the south, are really not inspiring confidence.

wdmso 02-26-2022 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1223363)
We sent planeloads of Stingers and additional planeloads of Javelins. Baltic states and several former WPact, (CZ, PO, RO, BU) sent hundreds of stingers, and late RUS MANPADS.

The RUS gains, other than in the south, are really not inspiring confidence.

I figure the Javelins but haven't heard of their use. Because I am sure we want to know their effectiveness on New Russian Armor
including AT4s I fired a few hard to hit at distance


I have no expectations of a Ukraine Military victory .. but seems they are winning the public relation war .. Swinging many to support more equipment then a few days ago

Its going to get uglier in the coming days for both sides

JohnR 02-26-2022 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1223366)
I figure the Javelins but haven't heard of their use. Because I am sure we want to know their effectiveness on New Russian Armor
including AT4s I fired a few hard to hit at distance


I have no expectations of a Ukraine Military victory .. but seems they are winning the public relation war .. Swinging many to support more equipment then a few days ago

Its going to get uglier in the coming days for both sides

BTW - RUS had retrofitted much of the their armor / mechanized for drone submuntioins - still those Turkish made Bayraktar drones UA is using seem to be hitting RUS hard.

Yes. Embarrassment for Putin is going to change things not in a good way. Talks of kicking RUS out of SWIFT, lots of countries denying RUS commercial aviation, shipping.

scottw 02-26-2022 11:19 AM

oh boy....

A new Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president.

When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way. . . . A majority of Americans polled — 59 percent — also said they believed that the Russian president moved on Ukraine because Putin saw weakness in President Biden.

Thirty-eight percent of Democrats think Trump would have prevented this. After six full years of blanket press coverage calling Trump a pawn of Putin.

The Dad Fisherman 02-26-2022 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1223372)
oh boy....

A new Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president.

When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way. . . . A majority of Americans polled — 59 percent — also said they believed that the Russian president moved on Ukraine because Putin saw weakness in President Biden.

Thirty-eight percent of Democrats think Trump would have prevented this. After six full years of blanket press coverage calling Trump a pawn of Putin.

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Jim in CT 02-26-2022 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1223373)
..

oh the kids are gonna love that…
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Pete F. 02-26-2022 12:34 PM

Ukraine claims it's killed almost 3,000 Russian soldiers in the first 36 hours of the invasion.

As ever, you have to take these things with a grain of salt, but anything even remotely close to that number would be stunning – the US lost 4,431 in two decades in Iraq
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wdmso 02-26-2022 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1223372)
oh boy....

A new Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president.

When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way. . . . A majority of Americans polled — 59 percent — also said they believed that the Russian president moved on Ukraine because Putin saw weakness in President Biden.

Thirty-eight percent of Democrats think Trump would have prevented this. After six full years of blanket press coverage calling Trump a pawn of Putin.

That same 62% think he won the election or the election was rigged

Of course Putin wouldn’t have invaded because Trump would have given Putin what he wanted no nato in Ukraine and more us Troops removed from Europe .

Not because he’s a strong leader as you cult members suggest

When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way.

Who would have guessed

However, 38 percent of all Americans polled believed that Putin would have invaded Ukraine even if Trump had been president


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scottw 02-26-2022 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1223378)
That same 62% think he won the election or the election was rigged

Of course Putin wouldn’t have invaded because Trump would have given Putin what he wanted no nato in Ukraine and more us Troops removed from Europe .

Not because he’s a strong leader as you cult members suggest

When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way.

Who would have guessed

However, 38 percent of all Americans polled believed that Putin would have invaded Ukraine even if Trump had been president


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you sound like biden struggling to make a point....

wdmso 02-26-2022 02:17 PM

thermobaric rockets systems seen on their way

spence 02-26-2022 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1223371)
Yes. Embarrassment for Putin is going to change things not in a good way.

I think it could go way beyond embarrassment. If there’s no clear path out through Ukraine he could drag other countries into this mess or just wage war on the West in general. Start stockpiling canned tuna.

Jim in CT 02-26-2022 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1223383)
I think it could go way beyond embarrassment. If there’s no clear path out through Ukraine he could drag other countries into this mess or just wage war on the West in general. Start stockpiling canned tuna.

he threatened finland and sweden not to join NATO. If Putin had a brain, i think it’s broke.

it’s hard to believe we’re actually talking about an unprovoked invasion.

I’d love to see Putin answer for this someday.
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scottw 02-26-2022 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1223385)
he threatened finland and sweden not to join NATO. If Putin had a brain, i think it’s broke.

it’s hard to believe we’re actually talking about an unprovoked invasion.

I’d love to see Putin answer for this someday.
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it's not the first time in history...we just like to act as though it can't happen....


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