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Tagger

12-27-2009 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by stripermaineiac (Post 734739)

Hi Larry,Wish I could figure out the prob with gettin pics up here. I've got so much of Bob's stuff that it's crazy.Was a very good freind and a great teacher. Kinda sucks him bein gone.He's the one that got me into plug fishing as a kid up here in Maine back in the 60's

bummer you can't post pics ,, You can probably help us out alot with info and history ,.. This stuff isn't in books . I believe this to be an Atom (Bob Pond ) jigg ,, weighs 3.2 ...good friend gave it to me ..

Tagger

12-27-2009 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by stripermaineiac (Post 734740)

Out of curiosity how'd you find out about his passing. Ron

check main forum here and SOL .. Everyone loved your friend Bob ...

BigFish

12-27-2009 09:46 AM

Its posted in the main forum and on SOL! Maybe you could share some stories with us? Sorry for your very personal loss Ron.

the greek

12-27-2009 09:49 AM

These are a couple 40'ish knockoffs I've been playing with. It's shorter at 6 1/4" but bigger in diameter and weighs 2.85 oz.

http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/a.../fortys003.jpg

http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/a.../fortys004.jpg

Tagger

12-27-2009 09:51 AM

We've all made a jr. or a 40 .... what plug builder has not been influenced by Bob Pond ? nice pics Ted ..

eastendlu

12-27-2009 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by numbskull (Post 734719)

Good mornin'. I'm here, but should be drilling. Got church in an hour, not all that religious but whatever.

As for a topic for today....how about lips. These things drive me crazy. So many guys make "copies" that are not true to the original. Sure if you build your own thing using the lip as the base you can do OK, but if you want to copy something old you are out of luck.

There are good Lefty (actually Musso) lips available.
Salty's conrad lip is perfect.
The large Pikie lip is great.........but one with a mid slot hole would be greater yet for us guys who like surface swimmers.
Perfect surfster lips are available.

Nobody makes an accurate mid or small danny lip. The medium danny lips available are wider, longer, and with a slightly higher hole than the lips that are used on medium Pichney, Lupo, BM surface swimmer.....which are as perfect a bass lure as you can find.

There is no match for the large conrad, or the BM cowboy/ Bm version A40.

Yeah, yeah......I know if you are doing your own thing you can use what is out there and be happy. But a lot of us enjoy copying and fishing stuff that is no longer available. Yes, for any one or two, or six plugs you can cut your own lips....but if you want to make multiples you are out of luck.

So how do I go about making my own dies?

Good afternoon all :smash:
George an easier way is to flatten a lip you want and get a sheet metal shop with a N/C laser or water jet to make as many as you want with the slot were you want it for about a $1.00 or so a piece and bend them yourself.I know a couple of places with some friends working or owning the shops.If you have something you want let me Know i can get you pricing.

numbskull

12-27-2009 10:09 AM

Laser, eh? Do they sell those on Craig's list? :heybaby:

stripermaineiac

12-27-2009 10:12 AM

Hi Tagger, I just went out in the shop an looked through a box of lead heads Bob played with, Got a few of them in it all different sizes. He loved the peice of broom handle with a leadhead behind it and was always experimenting with it. Ihe one he put on the market with the change able hair started out with a couple blems that the sun got to and floated a bit higher in the water Ron

numbskull

12-27-2009 10:12 AM

Nice plugs, Ted. Look like they "fit the lip" better than the actual originals did. How wide did you make them?

stripermaineiac

12-27-2009 10:19 AM

Hi all,I just talked with Avis' daughter. They're gonna try to do a memorial service next Sat. She's gonna have her son put the info up on the web sites to get it out.This will give people time to make travel plans an such. If I get anymore info I can post I'll put it out there. Ron

numbskull

12-27-2009 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by stripermaineiac (Post 734755)

Hi Tagger, I just went out in the shop an looked through a box of lead heads Bob played with............

That is what I'll remember most about Bob Pond, he had such an inquisitive and enthusiastic mind. Fish, fishing, plugs, jigs.......always thinking and working at figuring things out, trying something new and different.

stripermaineiac

12-27-2009 10:20 AM

Well I'm headin out to the shop an do some turnin an look at some old pics an such. Quite a surprise. Ron

BigFish

12-27-2009 10:37 AM

Headed down the basement to do some drilling...I will check in later!

the greek

12-27-2009 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by numbskull (Post 734756)

Nice plugs, Ted. Look like they "fit the lip" better than the actual originals did. How wide did you make them?

I made the plug as wide as the lip at the widest point which is where the rear taper starts. I like the one I did from pine the best. That is the yellow one. I made the others from cypress and they weigh exactly the same as the pine one. Swim is different. I know I should have expected it but it surprised me how different. I can get the pine one to swim subsurface and is pretty stable but the cypress ones won't leave the top. They are also pretty unstable and will roll out if cranked hard but leave a big wake with alot of tail wag. These are my first attempts at a forty and at least I have somewhere to go from here. I wish I had access to some of the older plugs like you guys seem to have. Trying to find them let alone people to bounce ideas off here is difficult at best here.

BigFish

12-27-2009 12:20 PM

No ProfMoriarty this am?? Hmmmmm?:confused:

ProfessorM

12-27-2009 12:50 PM

Had to get my beauty sleep and just got home from church and the house looks like a bomb went off so wife is on my butt to help clean up the remnants of hurricane Caitlin that went thru here on Friday morning. Also just finished putting up the Barbie dream house so here I am late as usual.
Lips well Lu mentioned water jet. I have tried for a while to get some done down at WHOI as they have one but no luck so far. I also know someone who knows someone that owns a place that does that so I am still at work on it. The dies are too expensive for someone to buy if they are not going to go into business and now there are several doing it so not worth trying to make a business venture out of it. So I just make a few here and there for my self and a few friends and live with that. But I am not giving up on the water jet thing. The bending is very simple it is the outline that takes me the most time so water jet would be perfect, if I can get it down to a reasonable cost. Just this week I took regular Pikie 3 lips and just recut the lip slot where is should be for Pichney surface swimmers. Should work perfect.

Tagger

12-27-2009 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by the greek (Post 734770)

These are my first attempts at a forty and at least I have somewhere to go from here. I wish I had access to some of the older plugs like you guys seem to have. Trying to find them let alone people to bounce ideas off here is difficult at best here.

Ted ... you can borrow mine for models ,,either pic up at fest or since your working on them now ,I could mail em .. should copy the jr. to for future referrence,, fatter,,stubbier than bm and others ..

Tagger

12-27-2009 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorM (Post 734800)

Also just finished putting up the Barbie dream house so here I am late as usual.

How's Barbie doing now adays ? Is she feeling the recession ? What kind of house ?

ProfessorM

12-27-2009 01:36 PM

friggin 3 story with elevator, hot tub, and a toilet that flushes with sound effects. Got a corvette in the drive too. I am curious how she gets the $$$ to afford the dig's, but I have an idea.

eastendlu

12-27-2009 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorM (Post 734800)

I have a bud that just got an EDM says he wants to make me some as a test and then make more for me at 50 cents a piece.Have to get over to see him.

BILLC

12-27-2009 03:44 PM

I have 3 wire EDM's at work. Have been trying to get one of the guys in engineering to write some programs but the machines are always busy doing dies.

the greek

12-27-2009 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tagger (Post 734801)

That would be great. I would love to at least take a look at some at plugfest.

the greek

12-27-2009 04:20 PM

Also I hope what I wrote did not come across wrong. When I said trying to bounce ideas off someone here is difficult, I meant here where I'm at in PA not here in this forum. Everyone here has always been helpful to me.

numbskull

12-27-2009 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by the greek (Post 734770)

I can get the pine one to swim subsurface and is pretty stable but the cypress ones won't leave the top. They are also pretty unstable and will roll out if cranked hard but leave a big wake with alot of tail wag. .

Have you tried bending the line tie up to get them down? If no go, try tweaking the lip upwards a touch.

the greek

12-27-2009 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by numbskull (Post 734852)

Have you tried bending the line tie up to get them down? If no go, try tweaking the lip upwards a touch.

I tried playing with the line tie a little. Not much help. Also tried swapping out the 3/0 that are on there with 4/0 and not much different either. May go a bit higher with my lipslot on another and see what happens. Also if I can find some AYC big enough I may try one with that and see what happens. I will try bending the lip up a bit as you suggested.

ProfessorM

12-27-2009 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by eastendlu (Post 734820)

I have a bud that just got an EDM says he wants to make me some as a test and then make more for me at 50 cents a piece.Have to get over to see him.

you go girl. sounds like a very nice friend to have. I have no tool and die friends anymore. I'm stuck making them by hand right now, which is ok for me, but feel bad when i can't get enough to supply all my friends.

ProfessorM

12-27-2009 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BILLC (Post 734841)

I have 3 wire EDM's at work. Have been trying to get one of the guys in engineering to write some programs but the machines are always busy doing dies.

that is the problem for me too. The darn CNC machines are alway busy making my boss money and not doing fun 3 axis stuff for me so I am stuck figuring out ways to do it the old fashion way that doesn't take an eternity, so as to make it worth while to bother.

Jigman

12-27-2009 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by numbskull (Post 734719)

...Nobody makes an accurate mid or small danny lip....

The Cape Cod tackle small danny lip has worked well for me. Use them on a 1 1/2 oz danny that I do. Dont know how it matches up with the dannys you were thinking about, but it might be worth a try.

Jigman

go4broke44

12-28-2009 10:22 AM

lu, wheres the paint shaker pics? :confused:

looking forward to seeing it :uhuh:

eastendlu

12-28-2009 11:33 AM

LOL i will take them later today and post them up.

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